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Would Japan Ever Make the Same Mistake Again?
« on: November 17, 2020, 12:24:08 pm »
https://original.antiwar.com/buchanan/2020/11/16/beijing-sends-biden-a-warning/
This time under an umbrella of US protection?

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"President-elect Biden gave me a commitment that Article 5 of the US-Japan security treaty applies to the Senkaku Islands," said a delighted Suga. And what does Article V commit us to?

"Each Party recognizes that an armed attack against either Party in the territories under the administration of Japan would be dangerous to its own peace and safety and declares that it would act to meet the common dangerÖ"

Message: The US will treat a Chinese attempt to take the Senkakus, tiny rocky outcroppings in the East China Sea, as an attack on the USA, and America will fight China to secure Japanís right to keep the islands.

For those who think that antiwar.com is still pro-Trump, it's not it's antiwar.
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Re: Would Japan Ever Make the Same Mistake Again?
« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2020, 02:09:10 pm »
https://original.antiwar.com/buchanan/2020/11/16/beijing-sends-biden-a-warning/
This time under an umbrella of US protection?

For those who think that antiwar.com is still pro-Trump, it's not it's antiwar.

So youíre saying that you would let China take over territory that isnít theirís militarily?

Why is it OK with you for China to wage war?

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Re: Would Japan Ever Make the Same Mistake Again?
« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2020, 02:11:23 pm »
I agree with Biden, if China wages any kind of land grab/war against Japan then the US should let China know that will not be tolerated.
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Re: Would Japan Ever Make the Same Mistake Again?
« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2020, 02:18:04 pm »
I agree with Biden, if China wages any kind of land grab/war against Japan then the US should let China know that will not be tolerated.

I think the OP is implying that nothing should be done about it...
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Re: Would Japan Ever Make the Same Mistake Again?
« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2020, 02:24:51 pm »
I agree with Biden, if China wages any kind of land grab/war against Japan then the US should let China know that will not be tolerated.

I won't say whether I disagree with that or not Gorgeous. Hearing my opinion would be counter productive. But I will ask you another question:

If the US wages any kind of land grab/war against some country where China has interests, should China let the US know that will not be tolerated?

The title of this thread refers to Japan's mistake of becoming a warring nation in 1939. That resulted ina small scale nuclear attack on Japan. If there's another one it won't be a limited nuclear attack.

How does Japan's leadership think on this subject? Are they emboldened enough by US assurances to move ahead and settle the issue once and for all?

Is China ready yet? If not then wasting time just gives China more time to get ready to handle any outside aggression. And don't discount the defensive alliance that has been formed between Russia and China.
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Re: Would Japan Ever Make the Same Mistake Again?
« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2020, 02:30:20 pm »
I think the OP is implying that nothing should be done about it...

The OP implies that nothing should be done about this standoff with China and also the standoff on the two China's situation in which the US is beginning to push the bounds that have kept world peace up til now.

If you intend to behave appropriately and stay on topic, I'll entertain your ideas. It's entirely up to you.
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Re: Would Japan Ever Make the Same Mistake Again?
« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2020, 02:39:01 pm »
The OP implies that nothing should be done about this standoff with China and also the standoff on the two China's situation in which the US is beginning to push the bounds that have kept world peace up til now.

If you intend to behave appropriately and stay on topic, I'll entertain your ideas. It's entirely up to you.
I have no intention of tampering with any of your posts. I consider that to be out of bounds for this forum. l
That is, right now at least under the current format.

What should happen if China tries to take over parts of Japan?

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Re: Would Japan Ever Make the Same Mistake Again?
« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2020, 03:22:00 pm »
What should happen if China tries to take over parts of Japan?

Your question isn't appropriate here on this conversation. I'll answer why it isn't if anybody other than you or wilbur wants to know.
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« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2020, 03:36:19 pm »
Your question isn't appropriate here on this conversation. I'll answer why it isn't if anybody other than you or wilbur wants to know.

Please spare us.
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« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2020, 04:05:12 pm »
Your question isn't appropriate here on this conversation. I'll answer why it isn't if anybody other than you or wilbur wants to know.

Itís perfectly appropriate.  You are so bad at trolling.  Hopefully, JMT gets tired of your Trump threads and bans your account soon.   You just take up space.
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Re: Would Japan Ever Make the Same Mistake Again?
« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2020, 04:37:20 pm »
Itís perfectly appropriate.  You are so bad at trolling.  Hopefully, JMT gets tired of your Trump threads and bans your account soon.   You just take up space.

Agreed, but it is a bit of fun to toy with him n'est pas? I wonder how the hell he was allowed on Vancouver Island, or is that just more BS.

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« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2020, 06:49:15 pm »
No answer for bad boys. Or girls or whatever they are?
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Re: Would Japan Ever Make the Same Mistake Again?
« Reply #12 on: November 17, 2020, 07:35:40 pm »
Your question isn't appropriate here on this conversation. I'll answer why it isn't if anybody other than you or wilbur wants to know.

Letting China start annexing nearby territory, especially of our allies, is probably the dumbest thing the US could do.  What would you do?  Do you want to be Churchill or Chamberlain?  I'm a Churchill guy myself.

If China wants to please antiwar.com they should probably not annex other countries.
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Re: Would Japan Ever Make the Same Mistake Again?
« Reply #13 on: November 18, 2020, 12:46:29 pm »
Letting China start annexing nearby territory, especially of our allies, is probably the dumbest thing the US could do.

What allies do you have in mind? The Nato article 5 won't allow that and as far as I know it's never been up for question with China. You do understand that China has decided on a peaceful approach instead of a military response to US/Nato aggression and expansionism?

 
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What would you do?  Do you want to be Churchill or Chamberlain?  I'm a Churchill guy myself.

I can answer your question if you can lay out the hypothetical you're imagining. As it stands right now, I see it being the US that has intentions of encroaching further on China's borders and so it's more a question of what should China do. I can answer that one too!

Currently China is in the process of forming a peaceful alliance with Vietnam. Any comments on what the US should do? The US has been cut out and has been displaying very large naval force in Thailand.

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If China wants to please antiwar.com they should probably not annex other countries.

Did you allow one of your chiildren to write that last remark? Just let me know if you're not up to this Gorgeous.
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Re: Would Japan Ever Make the Same Mistake Again?
« Reply #14 on: November 18, 2020, 12:50:26 pm »
What does NATO have to do with anything?
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