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Re: Whither, Democracy?
« Reply #90 on: March 01, 2022, 05:11:35 am »
You could look at it this way, but also autocratic governments are more aware than ever that the people have power.

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Re: Whither, Democracy?
« Reply #91 on: March 01, 2022, 10:19:25 am »
You could look at it this way, but also autocratic governments are more aware than ever that the people have power.

That's true. All governments need the People on their side. This is why they intimidate by fear and brutality to keep them in line.
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Re: Whither, Democracy?
« Reply #92 on: March 01, 2022, 10:31:49 am »
That's true. All governments need the People on their side. This is why they intimidate by fear and brutality to keep them in line.

The Arab Spring happened.  It mostly failed but it happened.  Some dictators were deposed too

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Re: Whither, Democracy?
« Reply #93 on: March 03, 2022, 01:10:04 am »
The Arab Spring happened.  It mostly failed but it happened.  Some dictators were deposed too

Like Mohammed Morsi, former president, who had a heart attack right in the middle of his arraignment.
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Re: Whither, Democracy?
« Reply #94 on: March 03, 2022, 05:34:07 am »
A couple of others too..

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Re: Whither, Democracy?
« Reply #95 on: March 07, 2022, 03:00:13 am »
A couple of others too..

Yes, the President of Yemen was encouraged to resign by an agreement brokered with the Gulf States, and the Vice President became President. He in turn was overthrown in the war which still persists. The President of Tunisia went first, if I remember correctly he fled the country with his family. Mummar (sp?) Kaddafi was capped by his formerly loyal troops. Other heads of state in the Middle East & North Africa had to do some shakeups of their respective political systems after popular uprisings.

Saudi Arabia stayed relatively stable, no surprise there.

It all started with one dude in Tunis setting himself on fire in protest. Sometimes the greatest avalanches begin with the falling of a tiny pebble.
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Re: Whither, Democracy?
« Reply #96 on: March 07, 2022, 08:11:22 am »
  Kaddafi was capped by his formerly loyal troops.

I thought he was mobbed ?

That was actually a failure of the US (I have heard it put on H. Clinton specifically) to not honour an agreement to get him out once he capitulated.  I am interested in your opinion on that.

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« Reply #97 on: March 08, 2022, 07:09:41 pm »
I thought he was mobbed ?

That was actually a failure of the US (I have heard it put on H. Clinton specifically) to not honour an agreement to get him out once he capitulated.  I am interested in your opinion on that.

I don't know anything about that "agreement".
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Re: Whither, Democracy?
« Reply #98 on: July 03, 2022, 06:41:07 pm »
whew! lots reading there, read and skimmed thru a lot of the boards. So, my thoughts on democracy - yes, Canadian democracy is very threatened - if pmjt can give corps 'constitutional rights and protections' equal to the People - then society is degrading from the top. We are watching Cdn premiers using the 'not withstanding' clause to shove laws or try to overthrow laws. For now, our SCC is holding strong but .... same can happen with our SCC Judges as in US. One party fills up vacancies quickly with Judges who will 'favor' their 'rule' of law. 2ndly, how easy is it for either govt (US or Canada) to just 'sign' over the nation to get 'communist' rule? if people are going to support govt officials (like trump) then the nation can easily dump 'democracy' for 'something' else. Idk about other Cdns here in the forum but have you looked at the various govt ACTS? many have clauses that basically say ' no liability' therefore 'no legal actions' can be done which takes spirit of the Magna Carta away from the people. Cdn govt has 'written' laws to 'legalize' their acts even if 'criminal so nothing can be done to right any wrongs done to the people. (i.e., unable to sue LT homes that allowed elders to die of Covid). It may sound alarmist but it's the reality ... so far.
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Re: Whither, Democracy?
« Reply #99 on: July 07, 2022, 02:51:50 pm »
Now the UK:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-election-2019-spending-campaign-conservatives-b859020.html

That's about $28M CDN dollars to win 66 million people - cheaper than Canada.

UK's Boris Johnson - yes, in the face of the latest parliamentary government's leader resigning being forced out, whither democracy?

the waldo thought to propose that through the dynamics of party politics, the process to replace a government's leader within a parliamentary system is, inherently, a stronger form of democracy... but then how does that stand up to Sky News playing the Benny Hill theme here?
 

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Re: Whither, Democracy?
« Reply #100 on: July 07, 2022, 03:16:16 pm »
UK's Boris Johnson - yes, in the face of the latest parliamentary government's leader resigning being forced out, whither democracy?

the waldo thought to propose that through the dynamics of party politics, the process to replace a government's leader within a parliamentary system is, inherently, a stronger form of democracy... but then how does that stand up to Sky News playing the Benny Hill theme here?
 

Democracy needs to be applied more generally than just the once-every-four-years act of writing the X
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