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Offline Goddess

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The UN Needs To Go
« on: June 18, 2019, 03:19:34 pm »
https://nationalpost.com/opinion/geoffrey-clarfield-the-united-nations-is-losing-staggering-sums-to-corruption-mismanagement-and-bad-decision-making


This is one (another) reason why I no longer care for Canada cozying up to the UN, nor going along with its "recommendations" for countries. In 2015 when Saudi Arabia was chosen to head the Human Rights panel and in 2017 again when it was chosen for the Women's Rights Commission - what a joke.  They no longer have any true concern for the countries they advise, it's just another old, rich, men-with-little-dingdongs club.

It no longer is doing what its supposed to be doing and I think it needs to go.

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Every year, Canadian taxpayers contribute millions of dollars to the UN and there is no sign that this practice will end. Our government leaders ignore the mounting evidence of systemic UN corruption, examples of which can be found all over the media.

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Re: The UN Needs To Go
« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2019, 03:40:11 pm »
This is one (another) reason why I no longer care for Canada cozying up to the UN

Agreed there is a lot of things wrong with the UN, but don't discount the vast amount of good things they do. From international standardization, and cooperation on things like air travel, shipping, and more recently road vehicles. They are involved in many humanitarian efforts like peacekeeping, disaster relief and health care. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
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« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2019, 03:50:16 pm »
The Russians are maligning the UN on Facebook for useful idiots to parrot demands to disband it.

They would love to go back to the era of invasions being legitimate.
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« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2019, 04:53:23 pm »
The UN has a lot of cleaning up to do, but it needs serious reform not disbandment.  Especially for the UNSC and other security issues.  At the very least it gets all meaningful actors who may often be at odds with each other to the table to dialogue

Like the EU, the UN has expanded beyond its core mandate to include a lot of things that have turned into rubbish and need serious reform.  The EU should have the fat cut off of it, it which would have saved the UK from leaving.
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Re: The UN Needs To Go
« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2019, 05:07:23 pm »
The UN has a lot of cleaning up to do, but it needs serious reform not disbandment.  Especially for the UNSC and other security issues.  At the very least it gets all meaningful actors who may often be at odds with each other to the table to dialogue

Like the EU, the UN has expanded beyond its core mandate to include a lot of things that have turned into rubbish and need serious reform.  The EU should have the fat cut off of it, it which would have saved the UK from leaving.

It will be interesting to see if the UK actually leaves the EU.
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Re: The UN Needs To Go
« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2019, 05:11:52 pm »
The UN has a lot of cleaning up to do, but it needs serious reform not disbandment. 


 I think sometimes organizations get just too corrupt, can't be cleaned up and should just be scrapped.  And I'm starting to feel that way with the UN.  Replace it with something else, then.

I'm a useful idiot to the Russians?  No one should talk about the corruption going on?  Please.
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« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2019, 06:39:39 pm »
Where did I say don't talk about corruption?

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« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2019, 07:29:01 pm »
I don't know what goes on in their office towers in NYC, but having worked for the UN on the ground as a contractor on a number of missions, including the one that was in place as the US began bombing Iraq, one difficulty I observed was trying to mesh groups of soldiers from the far corners of the earth into one cohesive force. And in Iraq, it didn't matter how compliant Saddam Hussein was, and how little WMD we found, Bush was going to bomb the place come hell or high water, so lets not blame the UN for that. Other places (Somalia, Angola, Haiti for instance) may not have achieved the desired goals, but much suffering was relieved by UN efforts during their presence. Such large and complex operations do have the potential to develop glitches, but as another poster said, "let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater".
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« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2019, 08:21:08 pm »
The OP is an opinion column and the guy basically doesn't like the UN.  There are some examples listed, so it's not like he made it up.  But even then there's no argument for overarching corruption.

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« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2019, 10:58:00 pm »
I think sometimes organizations get just too corrupt, can't be cleaned up and should just be scrapped.  And I'm starting to feel that way with the UN.  Replace it with something else, then.

If the UN is to be scrapped then yes it should be replaced with something else, because it's core function is very important to international security, among other international efforts.

We need a place where representatives from all countries can be at the table together to talk about serious issues, instead of everyone being in "silos" or stuck in their own regional groups etc.  Collective security works, just not so great in its current form at the UNSC.
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« Reply #10 on: June 19, 2019, 01:24:53 am »
The OP is an opinion column and the guy basically doesn't like the UN.  There are some examples listed, so it's not like he made it up.  But even then there's no argument for overarching corruption.

Well ... no more than our governments, perhaps.
I'm not in favour of replacing the UN..
That would be extremely costly, and likely end up in the same place.
Work with what we have to improve it where necessary. We need that international body.
And international law.

Security ... well ... when the profiteers stop invading countries to pillage their natural resources, I think security costs would go down a whole lot.
An humanitarian costs ...

Privatizing profits and socializing costs.
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« Reply #11 on: June 19, 2019, 09:59:06 am »
The OP is an opinion column and the guy basically doesn't like the UN. 

Thanks, Captain Obvious.

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There are some examples listed, so it's not like he made it up. 

Thanks, Captain Obvious.


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But even then there's no argument for overarching corruption.

Duh.  It's not a thesis on corruption in the UN.  The point of it is to inform of the corruption going on and - if you so choose - you are welcome to investigate further. 
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Re: The UN Needs To Go
« Reply #12 on: June 19, 2019, 10:58:12 am »
70 ways the UN makes a difference:



so ya, be throwin' the baby out with the bathwater!
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« Reply #13 on: June 19, 2019, 12:45:46 pm »
Thanks, Captain Obvious
 

Ok, I'll bite: what's not obvious is how you would jump from that article to 'the UN has to go"

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Re: The UN Needs To Go
« Reply #14 on: June 19, 2019, 12:47:06 pm »
Waldo.  Health isn't included - like mosquito nets.  Is that because it's a sister organization?