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« Reply #75 on: March 13, 2017, 06:01:48 pm »
We were talking about immigrants. But the UNHCR does not 'screen' anyone. How do you imagine they would do that? They interview them, but mostly asking for their names, where they came from, and other details. The UNHCR is not equipped or trained to find out what the general cultural values are of the people they feed. Why would they even care?

Concerning refugees, you should check this out.

Certainly not perfect, but I would like to know what more is reasonable to expect.

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« Reply #76 on: March 15, 2017, 04:06:17 pm »
Or if you have a foreign sounding name, you won't even get a call, regardless of your skills. That's a problem with systemic racism,  not the applicants themselves.

And yet there seem to be an awful lot of people with foreign sounding names employed in our major cities. Someone must be hiring.

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Also, most of our source countries are in Southeast Asia, yet you of course use UAE and Pakistan as examples. I wonder why.

Because this area produces the least economically successful immigrants. And because the topic title is "The Islamic World" which doesn't lend itself easily to discussion of India, the Philippines and China.

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Philippines is our largest source country, followed by China and India. Considering China and India have nearly half the world population, this shouldn't be surprising at all.

It should be given China produces the NEXT least economically successful immigrants.

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They were the second and third largest source countries in 1981 as well. UAE doesn't even register in the top 10, meaning there were less than 4,900 immigrants from there out of the 250,000 or so we accept in a year (against a Canadian population of 35,000,000).

I'm not sure what you think your point is. Iran is our fourth biggest source country, and Pakistan our fifth. Then comes Syria. Also in the top 25 are Afghanistan, Morocco, Egypt, Algeria, Bangladesh, and Iraq. All from a region which produces religious fanatics who are also  the least economically successful immigrants.

http://canadaimmigrants.com/canada-immigration-by-source-country-2015/

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half of them under family class, meaning they were being reunited with relatives who have to sponsor and fund them.

There should be virtually NO family class immigration unless the sponsor agrees to fund them in all things, including health care, for the remainder of their lives in Canada. The instant they fail, the sponsored family member must leave Canada. This business of letting in thousands of foreign seniors to use our health care system is insanity.
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« Reply #77 on: March 15, 2017, 05:35:24 pm »
Iran is our fourth biggest source and it's a fraction of the people that come from our third biggest source and nowhere even remotely close to the second or first countries.

My point is you blow a lot of hot air about a problem that isn't anywhere near as big as you make it out to be.

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« Reply #78 on: March 15, 2017, 06:45:35 pm »
Iran is our fourth biggest source and it's a fraction of the people that come from our third biggest source and nowhere even remotely close to the second or first countries.

My point is you blow a lot of hot air about a problem that isn't anywhere near as big as you make it out to be.

We don't have a record of how many Muslims immigrate to Canada each year. At least 50,000 from the above countries, but certainly more. After all, there are a lot of Muslims in India and the Philippines, as well as Nigeria, another country in the top 25. The Muslim population in Canada is doubling every 7-10 years and has been since 1971. In the last household survey, in 2011, there were just over 1 million, or 3.2% of the population. By the next survey, in 4 years, that will likely be 6.5%. And by the one after that? 13%? We're talking very substantial numbers here, and with a cultural value set which was born in the harsh cultures of the middle east and has not shown signs of substantial changes. By way of comparison Muslims make up 11% of the population in France.

Does that mean by 2031 we'll have to have soldiers with automatic weapons guarding every Jewish school, temple and community centre here like they do in France? Are we going to have regular riots too?

Maybe not. But why should we take the chance given that this region also produces the least economically successful immigrants of all our source regions?

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« Reply #79 on: March 15, 2017, 06:54:35 pm »
Concerning refugees, you should check this out.

Certainly not perfect, but I would like to know what more is reasonable to expect.

I've seen it. But first of all it's only referring to the refugees in Syria, not to immigrants in general. Second, It's clearly nothing more than soothing blather. If you look beneath the soothing words and exercise your mind you'll realize that. For example, I'm sure you'll be pleased that they do health screening. But uh... for what? That screening clearly does not stop us from accepting refugees with severe and permanent disabilities and other health issues which will place a high burden on social and health services. We know this because of all the reports of refugees being treated in hospitals, including for blindness, severe psychological illnesses and other disabilities, as example: http://www.vancouversun.com/health/mental+illness+disabilities+struggle+some+syrian+families/11779813/story.htm

Again, they say they interview refugees. That's nice. But what do they ask? They check out any documents? Presuming they have any documents. But how do they do that? Do they go to the Syrian government to ask? Well, obviously no. So this is largely meaningless. Especially since fake documents are all over the place over there - as I just posted.

They did security screening? All that means, and they say it right there, is checking their names against databases. So if they're not on a known terrorist watch list they're good to come over.

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« Reply #80 on: March 15, 2017, 09:32:58 pm »
I've seen it. But first of all it's only referring to the refugees in Syria, not to immigrants in general. Second, It's clearly nothing more than soothing blather. If you look beneath the soothing words and exercise your mind you'll realize that. For example, I'm sure you'll be pleased that they do health screening. But uh... for what? That screening clearly does not stop us from accepting refugees with severe and permanent disabilities and other health issues which will place a high burden on social and health services. We know this because of all the reports of refugees being treated in hospitals, including for blindness, severe psychological illnesses and other disabilities, as example: http://www.vancouversun.com/health/mental+illness+disabilities+struggle+some+syrian+families/11779813/story.htm

Again, they say they interview refugees. That's nice. But what do they ask? They check out any documents? Presuming they have any documents. But how do they do that? Do they go to the Syrian government to ask? Well, obviously no. So this is largely meaningless. Especially since fake documents are all over the place over there - as I just posted.

They did security screening? All that means, and they say it right there, is checking their names against databases. So if they're not on a known terrorist watch list they're good to come over.
The method of screening both refugees and immigrants to Canada has been explained a number of times here, but xenophobia does run deep it seems. It's something you seem to want to argus over endlessly. Oh sorry, spelling error.

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« Reply #81 on: March 16, 2017, 10:36:16 am »
The Muslim population in Canada is doubling every 7-10 years and has been since 1971. In the last household survey, in 2011, there were just over 1 million, or 3.2% of the population. By the next survey, in 4 years, that will likely be 6.5%. And by the one after that? 13%?

I love how you use math to justify your lack of logic. I suppose in 2071 Canada will be 225% Muslim.
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« Reply #82 on: March 16, 2017, 03:04:46 pm »
The method of screening both refugees and immigrants to Canada has been explained a number of times here, but xenophobia does run deep it seems. It's something you seem to want to argus over endlessly. Oh sorry, spelling error.

I'm sorry you don't understand the difference between immigration and refugees. Maybe you could find someone smarter to explain it to you.

But I doubt it.

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« Reply #83 on: March 16, 2017, 03:09:24 pm »
I love how you use math to justify your lack of logic. I suppose in 2071 Canada will be 225% Muslim.

Do you not understand arithmetic? Do the big numbers hurt your brain?

1971 33,430 0.1% of population

1981 98,165 0.3%

1991 253,265 0.9%

2001 579,600 1.8%

2011 1,054,945 3.2%

2021 2.100,000 6.5% projected

2031 4.5,000,000 13% projected


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« Reply #84 on: March 16, 2017, 03:13:45 pm »
I'm sorry you don't understand the difference between immigration and refugees. Maybe you could find someone smarter to explain it to you.

But I doubt it.
I query the source of the regulations, I suspect I could guess where you get yours.

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« Reply #85 on: March 16, 2017, 05:35:28 pm »
Do you not understand arithmetic? Do the big numbers hurt your brain?
I undertand math very well thank you. The problem is you don't seem to understand logic. As I pointed out, if you continue that cycle you will get to 225% of the population being Muslim in 2071. The problem is not math, it is your lack of logic. You cannot extrapolate such a simple metric and expect it to hold, that is beyond foolishness it is plain impossible.

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« Reply #86 on: March 17, 2017, 02:48:44 pm »
I undertand math very well thank you. The problem is you don't seem to understand logic. As I pointed out, if you continue that cycle you will get to 225% of the population being Muslim in 2071. The problem is not math, it is your lack of logic. You cannot extrapolate such a simple metric and expect it to hold, that is beyond foolishness it is plain impossible.

If I'd ever taken that position, perhaps, but I never did. I haven't suggested we carry forward with the progression to infinity. However, there is nothing which indicates, nothing I have read, which suggests that the progression is slowing.  It's virtually certain that the numbers will have risen to 6.5% by next assessment in four years. Beyond that is, of course, less certain, but if the current progression remains unchanged, including Muslims in Canada having a lot more kids than others, and a continuing influx of Muslims from abroad, there's no reason to think their numbers won't continue to grow rapidly. Why should there be without change? This is a progression which has been going on for over forty years now, after all.