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Offline SirJohn

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Re: The Islamic World
« Reply #15 on: February 04, 2017, 04:23:26 pm »
That's demonstrably untrue

I would invite you, then, to demonstrate it.

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Re: The Islamic World
« Reply #16 on: February 26, 2017, 03:21:21 pm »
What do you think it is about Islam that breeds a larger percentage of violent extremists?
Western interference. Everything else pales to insignificance.

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Re: The Islamic World
« Reply #17 on: February 26, 2017, 08:13:53 pm »
Western interference. Everything else pales to insignificance.

It is said that during the Crusades Salidin's men started out as perfect gentlemen, even in battle.  That changed as the Crusades went on.  It's never changed since, apparently.

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Re: The Islamic World
« Reply #18 on: February 26, 2017, 08:48:52 pm »
Oh for Christ's sake...it sure didn't take long to steep current affairs in the 4th century did it?

So is this DOP or dummydriver I'm responding to?

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Re: The Islamic World
« Reply #19 on: February 26, 2017, 10:00:47 pm »
Oh for Christ's sake...it sure didn't take long to steep current affairs in the 4th century did it?

So is this DOP or dummydriver I'm responding to?
I would say if it gets a little spacy,it's the former, if it simply remains bigoted, it's the latter, however either seem equally capable of expressing both characteristics.

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Re: The Islamic World
« Reply #20 on: February 26, 2017, 11:16:47 pm »
Oh for Christ's sake...it sure didn't take long to steep current affairs in the 4th century did it?

So is this DOP or dummydriver I'm responding to?

Uhh, I was agreeing with you.

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Re: The Islamic World
« Reply #21 on: February 26, 2017, 11:22:39 pm »
It is said that during the Crusades Salidin's men started out as perfect gentlemen, even in battle.  That changed as the Crusades went on.  It's never changed since, apparently.

I'm in the middle of doing some studying up on the crusades in my spare time and it is actually quite fascinating.  It was funny how close Europe came prior to the first crusade to being over run.  The battle of tours was pivotal in western civilization and the conspiracy theorist in me can draw a parallel as to why September 11 was picked as the date of the terror attacks as apparently it wasn't a good day for the invaders of Malta and the lifting of the siege of Vienna by the poles.  It's also a possible reason why Eastern Europe is putting up fences to deal with the refugees.

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Re: The Islamic World
« Reply #22 on: February 27, 2017, 09:13:47 am »
Uhh, I was agreeing with you.
My apologies.

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Re: The Islamic World
« Reply #23 on: February 27, 2017, 12:42:00 pm »
It is said that during the Crusades Salidin's men started out as perfect gentlemen, even in battle.  That changed as the Crusades went on.  It's never changed since, apparently.

The Crusaders were never gentlemen, they massacred thousands when Jerusalem fell during the First Crusade.

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The massacre was not insanity but policy, as stated by Fulcher of Chartres: They desired that this place, so long contaminated by the superstition of the pagan inhabitants, should be cleansed from their contagion. The Crusaders intended Jerusalem to be a Christian city–and strictly a Latin Christian city. This is a day the Lord made, wrote Raymond of Aguilers. We shall rejoice and be glad in it.


Saladin's gentleman gloves came off when during the Third Crusade, Richard III executed 2700 prisoners after the Siege of Acre and Saladin responded in kind.

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Re: The Islamic World
« Reply #24 on: February 27, 2017, 12:53:09 pm »
The Crusaders were never gentlemen, they massacred thousands when Jerusalem fell during the First Crusade.

I know - I didn't say that.

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Re: The Islamic World
« Reply #25 on: February 27, 2017, 02:44:00 pm »
I agree its hard to know, since the media focuses so heavily on any attack involving someone who looks like they could be Muslim, and almost ignores attacks by people who don't look Muslim.   

If people were blowing up markets in Toronto or planting car bombs in LA you can bet the media would focus on it. The kinds of constant bloody religion based violence by Muslims is massively greater than any other religious inspired violence in the world both in sheer quantity and brutality.

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Re: The Islamic World
« Reply #26 on: February 27, 2017, 02:45:01 pm »
"The Muslim World" is such a weird term when you have places like Malaysia, Turkey, Kosovo, and Pakistan that are Muslim and have had female leaders, but then you have countries like Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan (under the Taliban) who are completely oppressive. There's more difference between Muslim countries themselves than there is between the rest of the world and some of the more progressive ones. That's why I find that moniker, The Muslim World, so strange.

I'd like to hear about these progressive Muslim countries...

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Re: The Islamic World
« Reply #27 on: February 27, 2017, 02:54:17 pm »
It is said that during the Crusades Salidin's men started out as perfect gentlemen, even in battle.  That changed as the Crusades went on.  It's never changed since, apparently.

It is said? By whom? Recall that Muhammed himself was a conqueror in the name of Islam and that he took the wives and daughters of his enemies as slaves, including, in one notorious case, a nine year old girl. He also made rules regarding how slaves were to be taken and kept, and of course, his followers beheaded many enemies who refused to bow before them. Saladin was merciless with enemies in the Muslim world, as he was with those who were not Muslims. Islam expanded by the Sword into previously Christian and Hindu areas, slaughtering tens of millions who resisted or would not convert.

That Saladin did not slaughter the entire non-Muslim population of Jerusalem was not due to mercy but realpolitik getting in the way of what he wanted to do. The only way he could get the surrender of Jerusalem was to negotiate. Otherwise it would have been fight to the death, and the rulers of Jerusalem threatened to slaughter all the Muslims then in the city and destroy all Muslim holy relics and buildings, including the dome of the rock.



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Re: The Islamic World
« Reply #28 on: February 27, 2017, 03:05:10 pm »
The Crusaders were never gentlemen, they massacred thousands when Jerusalem fell during the First Crusade.


Saladin's gentleman gloves came off when during the Third Crusade, Richard III executed 2700 prisoners after the Siege of Acre and Saladin responded in kind.

Saladin never had any gentlemen gloves. When Sudanese regiments in Cairo revolted against him he had their survivors and their wives and children burned to death. He was a ruthless warlord, and you don't get to draw together all the different local Muslim leaders by being kind and gentle.

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Re: The Islamic World
« Reply #29 on: February 27, 2017, 03:06:28 pm »
I'd like to hear about these progressive Muslim countries...
Ever been to Bangladesh, Qatar, the UAE, Jordan, Kosovo, Egypt? Those are only the ones I have been in, there are of course others. Ever heard of Benazir Bhutto? A little travel can open one's eyes.