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Offline waldo

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Re: Technical Solutions - CO2 Removal
« Reply #30 on: November 30, 2017, 04:43:56 am »
Sandy was a storm that happened before and will happen again. It is delusional to suggest that the damage was materially different because of some unmeasurable influence from the slight warming to date.

Lets look at Sandy again to better understand how complex the entire attribution problem is. Let's start with a link to a source you should fine reasonably credible:
https://www.esrl.noaa.gov/psd/repository/entry/show/PSD+Climate+Data+Repository/Public/Interpreting+Climate+Conditions+-+Case+Studies/Climate+Change+and+Hurricane+Sandy?entryid=98c8065f-d639-496a-a684-fe4762e1d1be

Now the NOAA says two important things:

1) They affirm my statements that there is no evidence that climate climate change has not increased the number of hurricanes nor will they necessarily increase in the future.

2) They note that SLR is the only factor that might have influenced the damage done by Sandy but they also note that a portion of the SLR has nothing to do with AWG.

The NOAA does not state (but they should have) is the SLR is less than the daily tide and the storm surge happened to coincide with an abnormally high tide so was the surge caused by climate change or the non-AGW portion of the SLR or the high tide? Take any one of those away and the damage would have been a lot less.
having put the appropriate perspective on your linked author/article reference and false statements/claims, you so ignorantly miss the most salient point concerning Hurricane Sandy; i.e., what caused its most dramatic tracking shift from a continued north-easterly trajectory where it would have normally diminished under a cold water influence... to a westward tracking turn that ran counter to more than a century of Northeastern history? Notwithstanding the abnormally warmer ocean water off the eastern coast, consensus attribution for the dramatic and radical western turn is one associated with "Greenland blocking"... notwithstanding impacts became an issue of "storm surge" rather than your misplaced references to SLR (sea level rise).

- Climate change and extreme weather linked to high pressure over Greenland --- https://phys.org/news/2016-04-climate-extreme-weather-linked-high.html

- A climatological assessment of Greenland blocking conditions associated with the track of Hurricane Sandy and historical North Atlantic hurricanes --- http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/joc.4018/abstract

now I do find one quote from your linked article's author somewhat interesting, somewhat telling in the context of your misinterpretation and improper summary statements on SLR; specifically... it's one where your linked author actually speaks to surge and SLR in the same statement:
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"HOERLING: There is a nice historical record of the tide level at the Battery just below Manhattan that goes back to 1850s. And that time series, which is fairly complete up to current, shows a rise in the total sea level of about one foot in the 150 years of that record. Now, we have 14-foot rise related to Sandy. So one foot out of 14 may not be something that is critical. But it may very well be in the sense that that last foot maybe the foot that moved the water into very prone areas."