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Offline Rue

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Re: Saudi Arabia Promises Return to Moderate Islam
« Reply #15 on: November 10, 2017, 03:57:48 pm »
Kimmy your reasoning is well stated. I am divided on the issue. You may already be aware like Godess I loath on an individual basis
fundamentalist religious beliefs that teach the female body is to be covered up. I believe that discriminates women and presents a view that sexuality let alone female sexuality is something that must be covered up. If I as a man can not control my basis urges to the extent this is needed might I suggest bagging women is not the way to treat my lack of sexual control.

Fortunately in my case I am old at 61 and useless and no harm to you or any woman although I could be charming and hold a door for you.

On a serious note I loath what it stands for and I loath all religions not just Islam that teach this. That said I believe challenging such beliefs are best done not by government but people engaged in respectful free speech that does not incite violence or hatred against Muslims or anyone but challenges the precepts behind the practice.

I think governments imposing standards of what is acceptable is a slippery slope. It will start with a burqa and soon move on to other things. How far will it then go?  How far will this initiate limiting what we can wear? It makes me nervous.

So I am afraid I agree with both you and Kimmy and may I say respectfully as a man, I believe ultimately it is women who must take the lead not we men and determine how much from men they are going to allow to dictate their identity.

I taught my daughters to determine their identity based on their opinions not mine when it comes to their female identity. I deliberately deferred to their mother. I have a lot to say about how I believe women should be treated respectfully by men and safety issues but not how women should define themselves-I don't think I should. I have thank you enough issues dealing with my male identity and all the inherent contradictions that come from it.

Whatever you to decide, I would in all seriousness out of  basic respect to women defer to. Ultimately how women deal with their identity is their issue.

I only say this, no man should expect a woman to take responsibility for how we view women. That is our issue and problem if we can't deal with it. Having women be transferred by men the responsibility of covering up because we can't control ourselves does not deal with the issue it simply blames women for it.

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Re: Saudi Arabia Promises Return to Moderate Islam
« Reply #16 on: November 10, 2017, 04:33:04 pm »
Rue said: (Sorry, on my phone and quote thing is sketchy)
I think governments imposing standards of what is acceptable is a slippery slope. It will start with a burqa and soon move on to other things. How far will it then go?  How far will this initiate limiting what we can wear? It makes me nervous.

That is a big factor in my misgivings about banning it.  The slippery slope of what could be next for women.

That slippery slope or the slippery slope of allowing it to continue to be promoted.....either way, it's a tough one.
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