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« Reply #30 on: February 24, 2022, 10:21:53 pm »
She’s speaking directly to you….

I'm not the one who throws toddler tantrums every 5 seconds.

You're incapable of disagreeing with anyone like a grown adult so i guess she speaking to you.  I'm embarrassed for you.
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« Reply #31 on: February 24, 2022, 10:22:45 pm »
why are you so purposefully confrontational... you phackingIngrate!

He's a giant loser.
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« Reply #32 on: February 25, 2022, 12:47:11 am »
Wow this thread filled up quickly...

I think this will hurt Russia, too. When a leader can no longer buy off his inner circle with power, privileges, and/or money, they can turn on him very quickly. The sanctions will **** off his inner circle, and personally, I give Putin about six months. However, the eastern Ukraine will have been occupied by Russian forces and a puppet regime will have been carefully placed in Kiev. Putin will be gone but the damage will be done.

[on a very less important note, why are some reporters (particularly American ones) pronouncing the name of the capital to be "KEEV" instead of "KEE-YEV"?]

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« Reply #33 on: February 25, 2022, 09:36:52 am »
Russian Grand Prix cancelled. I wonder how much the drivers had to do with it. Seb Vettel is a class act.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/feb/24/f1-russian-grand-prix-remains-on-calendar-despite-invasion-of-ukraine
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« Reply #34 on: February 25, 2022, 10:02:04 am »
Ukraine has offered Russia a non-aligned status.  It’s apparently been taken into consideration.

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« Reply #35 on: February 25, 2022, 10:03:44 am »
Ukraine has offered Russia a non-aligned status.  It’s apparently been taken into consideration.

Non aligned at the point of a gun. How cynical.
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« Reply #36 on: February 25, 2022, 10:12:13 am »
Non aligned at the point of a gun. How cynical.
Well, if it stops the war, it’s a good thing.  Maybe all Putin ever wanted was a guarantee that NATO wouldn’t expand into Ukraine.
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« Reply #37 on: February 25, 2022, 12:17:34 pm »
Russia has now threatened Finland and Sweden if they try to join NATO. How much appeasement is too much?
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« Reply #38 on: February 25, 2022, 12:22:14 pm »
Well, if it stops the war, it’s a good thing.  Maybe all Putin ever wanted was a guarantee that NATO wouldn’t expand into Ukraine.

A society does not survive by making itself inoffensive to its enemies. The Russians want the Ukraine obedient. Not aligned with NATO or the US isn't enough for Vlad the Impaler. He wants a puppet state. Zelensky will be forced to resign to make way for a more pro (very pro) Russian president. Then Russian military bases will go up across the Ukraine, just to make sure of this hypothetical president's obedience. It'll be like the reinstatement of the Brezhnev Doctrine.
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« Reply #39 on: February 25, 2022, 12:32:59 pm »
A society does not survive by making itself inoffensive to its enemies. The Russians want the Ukraine obedient. Not aligned with NATO or the US isn't enough for Vlad the Impaler. He wants a puppet state. Zelensky will be forced to resign to make way for a more pro (very pro) Russian president. Then Russian military bases will go up across the Ukraine, just to make sure of this hypothetical president's obedience. It'll be like the reinstatement of the Brezhnev Doctrine.
Ever heard of Switzerland?  There’s a number of other countries that have non-aligned status for decades.
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« Reply #40 on: February 25, 2022, 12:38:56 pm »
Ever heard of Switzerland?  There’s a number of other countries that have non-aligned status for decades.

Exceptions to the rule. Switzerland was and still is, armed to the teeth. You can't be neutral and unarmed or impotent, especially if Russia is next door. The Nazis didn't invade Switzerland in WW2 was because they would have become bogged down. Nowadays, Switzerland's neighbors are barely capable of defending themselves on their own, hence the existence of NATO. Therefore, Switzerland is an exception that actually proves the rule.

PS about Switzerland: every Swiss man has to do a year's training in the Swiss Army. After that, as a going-away present, they keep their automatic rifle at home (but not the ammunition, that's store in armories around the country). The whole point of it is to keep the country neutral and free; not by appeasing its neighbors but by making it costly to anyone thinking of invading it. There's a difference between a country that's non aligned by choice and one that is non aligned at gunpoint. Which would you rather be?

PPS Russian troops have already entered the suburbs of Kiev, pushing toward the government center.
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« Reply #41 on: February 25, 2022, 12:47:04 pm »
Exceptions to the rule. Switzerland was and still is, armed to the teeth. You can't be neutral and unarmed or impotent, especially if Russia is next door. The Nazis didn't invade Switzerland in WW2 was because they would have become bogged down. Nowadays, Switzerland's neighbors are barely capable of defending themselves on their own, hence the existence of NATO. Therefore, Switzerland is an exception that actually proves the rule.

PS about Switzerland: every Swiss man has to do a year's training in the Swiss Army. After that, as a going-away present, they keep their automatic rifle at home (but not the ammunition, that's store in armories around the country). The whole point of it is to keep the country neutral and free; not by appeasing its neighbors but by making it costly to anyone thinking of invading it. There's a difference between a country that's non aligned by choice and one that is non aligned at gunpoint. Which would you rather be?

Switzerland also preserves its neutrality by letting the worst people in the world stash their ill-gotten gains in its banks.
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« Reply #42 on: February 25, 2022, 12:54:44 pm »
Switzerland also preserves its neutrality by letting the worst people in the world stash their ill-gotten gains in its banks.

I think the country is kept free more because of its difficulty to conquer than its banks. There are plenty of other banks in the world where the rich stick their "ill gotten gains". Like the Caymans (which as a colony is protected by the UK).

What of it? And since we should stick to the point, the Ukraine is not Switzerland. If I were to make a comparison of a "non aligned" country that is actually applicable to this situation, it would be the Republic of Czechoslovakia in 1938.
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« Reply #43 on: February 25, 2022, 12:57:51 pm »
Finland and Sweden also have non-aligned status.

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« Reply #44 on: February 25, 2022, 01:00:41 pm »
Finland and Sweden also have non-aligned status.

Finland didn't, during WW2. They were invaded by the USSR and by Nazi Germany. Finns fought on both sides.

And as far as Sweden being neutral in WW2, what of it? As far as Swiss neutrality over the years, what of that as well? You've got the fishing pole out and only red herrings are coming up.
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