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College campuses are rife with organizations such as National Students for Justice in Palestine, author of the movement for Boycott Divestment and Sanctions. The mass media, with alarming regularity publishes serious criticisms of Israel. The European Union, the successor to countries where six million Jews went up smokestacks has a partial boycott of Israel. All of it stems, allegedly, from the "Occupied Territories." When pressed these people will concede that they consider pre-1967 War Israel to be "occupied" as well. What exactly is Israel's crime; retaliating for deadly knifings, car rammings and other suicide attacks.

Travel 3/4 of the way east on the Asia continent to Myanmar, formerly Burma. The Rohingyas (link) are the subject of repeated massacres and rapes at the hand of the Buddhist population. Has anyone heard of this? UN Watch (link) has but nothing mainstream. Where are the campus demonstrations against Myanmar's atrocities? The Rohingyas are ever bit as Muslim as the Palestinians, perhaps more so.

Could the selective outrage in the West be anti-Judaism in new bottles? I think so.
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There's a lot wrong with this post.

What's alarming about criticizing a country.  Canadian newspapers alarmingly criticize Canada quite regularly.

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There's a lot wrong with this post.

What's alarming about criticizing a country.  Canadian newspapers alarmingly criticize Canada quite regularly.

Canadian newspapers would be expected to focus on Canada. It would be kind of odd if they kept putting critiques of, say, Tanzania out there again and again and again and again. I mean, why wold they?
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Yes but this doesn't say that:

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The mass media, with alarming regularity publishes serious criticisms of Israel.

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Isn't it ironic how Israel prides itself on being the only democracy in the middle-east, a bastion of liberal values and LGBTQ friendly... but when it comes to taking criticism it always wants to be compared to violent third-world nations?

I don't really see any other 1st world nation doing that.

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I don't really see any other 1st world nation doing that.

Yeeesssss... but playing the other side here every 1st world nation has its detestable policies also.  I don't remember Canadians protesting against Obama for example.

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Isn't it ironic how Israel prides itself on being the only democracy in the middle-east, a bastion of liberal values and LGBTQ friendly... but when it comes to taking criticism it always wants to be compared to violent third-world nations?

I don't really see any other 1st world nation doing that.
Israel should not be sujected to a double standard that cannot be met. That's all.
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Agreed.  Protesting Israel is a right but given the history of opposition it's faced don't be surprised if people question you for doing so.

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Isn't it ironic how Israel prides itself on being the only democracy in the middle-east, a bastion of liberal values and LGBTQ friendly... but when it comes to taking criticism it always wants to be compared to violent third-world nations?

I don't really see any other 1st world nation doing that.

No, and you don't see any other 1st world nation surrounded by violent enemies and subjected to both military and guerrilla warfare attacks for a generation either.  I wonder how Canadians would deal with that. Suppose the residents of the Mohawk reserves were launching suicide attacks targeting schools, restaurants and markets, running down people on the sidewalks with cars, frenziedly stabbing old men and women as they leave church. Suppose they were doing this not a few times, but constantly, week after week, month after month. Do you think there wouldn't wind up being heavy controls on the borders with their reserves? Do you think there wouldn't be repressive measures  taken to control them? We had one terrorist group in this country, the FLQ, and it killed 8 people, and that was enough for the federal government to impose the war measures act, suspend civil rights, and start rounding up suspects and sympathizers and holding them without trials. Western liberals like to pretend we're purer and more noble than the Israelis but if we were under such constant attack we'd do the same bloody thing.
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Israel should not be sujected to a double standard that cannot be met. That's all.

Israel seems to be a great example of double standards. 

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Israel seems to be a great example of double standards.

Israel is a victim of double-standards like BDS and UN human rights complaints, but is also a benefactor of double-standards, like it's nuclear program which received clandestine support from the US/the west.

JBG, overall I don't think outrage over Israel in the West including BDS is usually based on anti-semitism, it's more to do with the fact that news about Israel/Palestine is covered well in western news, while westerners and western media don't care much about conflicts/abuses happening in the developing world like Africa or Asia (outside the middle-east).

The selective outrage towards Israel is unfair though given the human rights abuses in many other countries, which is why I don't support BDS.  The fact that musicians go play concerts in countries like China and Russia without a peep from social justice activists is ridiculous.
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Israel seems to be a great example of double standards.
Against it, sure, but I'm not sure that's how you believe.
Israel is a victim of double-standards like BDS and UN human rights complaints, but is also a benefactor of double-standards, like it's nuclear program which received clandestine support from the US/the west.

JBG, overall I don't think outrage over Israel in the West including BDS is usually based on anti-semitism, it's more to do with the fact that news about Israel/Palestine is covered well in western news, while westerners and western media don't care much about conflicts/abuses happening in the developing world like Africa or Asia (outside the middle-east).

The selective outrage towards Israel is unfair though given the human rights abuses in many other countries, which is why I don't support BDS.  The fact that musicians go play concerts in countries like China and Russia without a peep from social justice activists is ridiculous.
Basically I agree with you. Part of the focus on Israel is obviously from the fact that coverage is far safer in a First World democracy than from Yangon. On the othe rhand I think anti-Semitism plays a big role. Jews have been disliked or worse for millennia and it keeps on popping up in new forms like mushrooms in excrement after a rain.
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Against it, sure, but I'm not sure that's how you believe.

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Basically I agree with you. Part of the focus on Israel is obviously from the fact that coverage is far safer in a First World democracy than from Yangon. On the othe rhand I think anti-Semitism plays a big role. Jews have been disliked or worse for millennia and it keeps on popping up in new forms like mushrooms in excrement after a rain.

Israel gets more criticism because of it being a modernized nation. It's like Canadians criticizing Canada more than other nations. We have to better ourselves to better other people. I criticize the US more because it is supposed to be a beacon of freedom, but all I have seen is more strife and war spread around the globe. Trying (but failing every step of the way) to solve a problem they've helped create a long time ago.

We know places like North Korea, Somalia and other corrupt nations are terrible through and through. The thing with Israel is that they are supposed to be a force for good, but when it comes to Palestine, the treatment of them is what many have a problem with. And when that is pointed out, there is a lot of push back.

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Israel gets more criticism because of it being a modernized nation. It's like Canadians criticizing Canada more than other nations. We have to better ourselves to better other people. I criticize the US more because it is supposed to be a beacon of freedom, but all I have seen is more strife and war spread around the globe. Trying (but failing every step of the way) to solve a problem they've helped create a long time ago.

We know places like North Korea, Somalia and other corrupt nations are terrible through and through. The thing with Israel is that they are supposed to be a force for good, but when it comes to Palestine, the treatment of them is what many have a problem with. And when that is pointed out, there is a lot of push back.


Your first sentence is arrogant in tone. People on debate forums don't have to accept any opinion from you or anyone. Debate forums can and do generate different views.

Your second sentence about Israel getting more criticism because its modernized is not factually based. You assume without any objective proof or statistics that if a country is modern it gets criticized more. You throw out Canada is criticized more with no statistics of comparison.

In fact Canada is not held to the same standard with its treatment of aboriginals as Jews are in Israel. To start with Jews in Israel are incorrectly denied the status of being aboriginal when they are. That has nothing to do with modernization.

The double standard that a Muslim can have a Muslim sharia law nation, Britain can be an Anglican nation, Vatican City a Catholic one, India a Hindu one but Jews should not have a Jewish state has nothing to do with modernization and everything to do with the discriminatory concept that a Jew should not have the same rights to a national collective identity as other religious groups.

When Israel is criticized, its usually criticized because its a Jewish state not because its modern. Its very existence of being Jewish is what criticized not the advancement of its sciences and technologies.

No one criticizes Israel for being modern except who you?

Your last sentence shows you are anti Israel and so perpetuate the myth and stereotype of Palestinians being victimized by a "bad" Israel.

Your description of Israel supposed to be doing "good" but doing "bad" are personal subjective assumptions based on your biases and no I don't have to accept them. They simply represent your subjective anti Israel opinions. In fact they  mean nothing to me.

Objective criteria used to point out weaknesses or problems with specific Israeli state policies might.


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