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Re: Covid Culture (was Outbreak Culture)
« Reply #3150 on: April 15, 2021, 10:25:45 pm »
We needed a PM who was more willing to say "just watch me" when it came to leadership during this pandemic. Imagine if it had been Quebec's responsibility to deal with the FLQ.
Easier said than done.  Trudeau Sr. was a French Quebecois also, in a country that didn't have the Bloc at the time.  Justin is not an Albertan, nor do they like him there.

But Justin didn't have to declare a national state of emergency with said powers, the feds already control national ports of entry.
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« Reply #3151 on: April 15, 2021, 10:41:25 pm »
Yes, Ottawa could have directed that Canada adopt the COVID Zero path Australia and New Zealand took. We needed a PM who was more willing to say "just watch me" when it came to leadership during this pandemic. Imagine if it had been Quebec's responsibility to deal with the FLQ.

Quebec invited the federal government in during the FLQ crisis.

The provinces told Ottawa to stay out of their jurisdiction during COVID.

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« Reply #3152 on: April 15, 2021, 10:42:44 pm »
But Justin didn't have to declare a national state of emergency with said powers, the feds already control national ports of entry.

Canada was one of the only countries that didn't drop its mandatory quarantine on entry at any point in the last year.

The hotel system should have been set up long ago, I agree, but most of what's coming in appears to be from essential travel anyway at this point.

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« Reply #3153 on: April 15, 2021, 10:45:10 pm »
Anyway, it doesn't really matter. The reality is that VOCs were here before we even knew about them. Public health measures were the only answer, and most provinces utterly failed. Atlantic Canada had the same federal government, and is doing fine.

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« Reply #3154 on: April 15, 2021, 11:03:26 pm »
Quebec invited the federal government in during the FLQ crisis.
I guess speaking for myself I'm effectively inviting it in for this one.

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The provinces told Ottawa to stay out of their jurisdiction during COVID.
As I've said before I sort of view this thru a lens of my responsibility for boatloads of people and experience with emergencies. I'm not taking orders from the cook or deckhand. All I'm saying is that Trudeau can command a lot more authority should he choose or the need arise.

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« Reply #3155 on: April 15, 2021, 11:22:17 pm »
Canada was one of the only countries that didn't drop its mandatory quarantine on entry at any point in the last year.

The hotel system should have been set up long ago, I agree, but most of what's coming in appears to be from essential travel anyway at this point.

It's more about the Canadians leaving and coming back on personal vacations.  I don't think non-business or other non-essential or non-compassionate travel should ever have been allowed to leave and then come back in.  They can leave I guess, just not come back.  There's also no way to enforce the self-quarantines they had, at least not before they got more serious on it.  It's absolutely ridiculous to think everyone would have stayed and self-quarantined the whole time, it's a joke, it's a policy just for appearances.  There's a hiking trail i go to with a big no dumping sign and people come and dump garbage all the time. At least with the hotels CBSA can confirm that you have a reservation.  But I have no idea how they monitor that someone isn't leaving the hotel.  At least since the New Year travelers require a negative test to enter.
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Re: Covid Culture (was Outbreak Culture)
« Reply #3156 on: April 15, 2021, 11:42:10 pm »
Anyway, it doesn't really matter. The reality is that VOCs were here before we even knew about them. Public health measures were the only answer, and most provinces utterly failed. Atlantic Canada had the same federal government, and is doing fine.

Everyone knew there were going to be variants, it wasn't a matter of if.  There's countless COVID variants out there in the world, literally thousands identified.

Not saying provincial measures have been perfect, but Atlantic Canada doesn't have the travel of the other parts of the country, and the provinces don't control airports and many other ports of entry, which is how any virus will enter.

The feds were very quick to get financial benefits out last year, to their credit, but throughout 2020 they were behind the 8-ball on a lot of things pertaining to dealing with the actual virus itself.  They're just really slow.

Someone like Doug Ford was doing a surprisingly good job and better than Trudeau, at least until the vaccine rollout which ON has effed up.
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« Reply #3157 on: April 15, 2021, 11:46:12 pm »
As I've said before I sort of view this thru a lens of my responsibility for boatloads of people and experience with emergencies. I'm not taking orders from the cook or deckhand. All I'm saying is that Trudeau can command a lot more authority should he choose or the need arise.
I don't really see where he's needed to do so, I think he made the right call on that.  The costs were much higher than the rewards.  And honestly if Albertans want to have parties and die that's their right lol.
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« Reply #3158 on: April 16, 2021, 12:22:53 am »
I don't really see where he's needed to do so, I think he made the right call on that.  The costs were much higher than the rewards.  And honestly if Albertans want to have parties and die that's their right lol.
Sure I can just see trying to work around a bunch of these while fighting a fire and herding people aboard lifeboats. Use the firehose as a water-cannon I guess...pike-poles, fire-axes, flare guns...

It occurs to me we haven't had a decent keel-hauling in a long time.

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« Reply #3159 on: April 16, 2021, 01:54:01 pm »
Someone like Doug Ford was doing a surprisingly good job and better than Trudeau, at least until the vaccine rollout which ON has effed up.

Ontario definitely didn't do well. The massacre in Ontario care homes speaks to that.

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« Reply #3160 on: April 16, 2021, 02:04:22 pm »
Ontario definitely didn't do well. The massacre in Ontario care homes speaks to that.

I think this points to the disgusting state of the healthcare system in the province that's been eroding and underfunded for decades and also the state of the privatized longterm system in ON and elsewhere.  We can blame Ford a bit for that I agree but not all of it and probably not most of it.  He was only in power a year and a half before COVID came.

In terms of restrictions Ford has kicked Trudeau's butt, in terms of vaccine rollout Ford gov has whimpered.
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« Reply #3161 on: April 16, 2021, 06:49:48 pm »
In terms of restrictions Ford has kicked Trudeau's butt, in terms of vaccine rollout Ford gov has whimpered.

Justin Trudeau isn't a provincial premier. Ottawa has no power to implement public health restrictions.

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« Reply #3162 on: April 16, 2021, 07:50:40 pm »
Justin Trudeau isn't a provincial premier. Ottawa has no power to implement public health restrictions.

Border restrictions.
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« Reply #3163 on: April 16, 2021, 07:54:33 pm »
Border restrictions.

It was obvious that's what you meant. 

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« Reply #3164 on: April 16, 2021, 09:14:30 pm »
Justin Trudeau isn't a provincial premier. Ottawa has no power to implement public health restrictions.
Perhaps this is another case of ill-preparedness that will need to be addressed during preparations for the next pandemic.  Of course if that requires opening the constitution it'll likely be for the 3rd or 4th pandemic down the road.
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