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« Reply #3105 on: April 08, 2021, 11:05:04 pm »
From our experience that's pretty optimistic. By the time they check your paperwork, explain what vaccine you are getting, advise you of possible side effects when you will be due for your second shot and fill out your card it was at least 5 minutes. Other people may be organizing but it is the person giving the shot who is ultimately responsible for everything being in order.
Okay so according to your experience they could still do our area in less than 3 days.  I suppose only 3-4 times slower is better than 12.

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« Reply #3106 on: April 08, 2021, 11:51:34 pm »
Actually I think there was some politicking going on. Feds getting some heat about vaccines so they tweet this out and the story becomes BC hasn't used 400,000 doses. It would be better if ministers were giving context to their news releases, not tweeting a few numbers. It just makes for friction between governments for no good reason.

The friction hasn’t been coming from Ottawa.

The ministers tweets came as a result of blatant lies by the Ford government. Setting the record straight was the right thing, and it will be ongoing.

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« Reply #3107 on: April 08, 2021, 11:54:11 pm »
Oh, and remember when I said that vaccines would arrive? They did, are, and will, faster than for most countries.

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« Reply #3108 on: April 09, 2021, 12:22:49 am »
Oh, and remember when I said that vaccines would arrive? They did, are, and will, faster than for most countries.

Not faster than most western developed countries.  Our vaccinated rate per 100 people is average to below-average.

https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2021/health/global-covid-vaccinations/

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/world/covid-vaccinations-tracker.html
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« Reply #3109 on: April 09, 2021, 12:50:02 am »
Actually I think there was some politicking going on. Feds getting some heat about vaccines so they tweet this out and the story becomes BC hasn't used 400,000 doses. It would be better if ministers were giving context to their news releases, not tweeting a few numbers. It just makes for friction between governments for no good reason.

Exactly.

The provinces haven't exactly been able to put anything into plan with so much inconsistency in supply, which for argument's sake, we'll concede was not the Fed's fault and was a supply issue.  But justified or not, the feds know people are angry and they have this huge albatross hanging around their neck. 

All of a sudden they want to start tweeting exactly how many doses each province has and how many they've administered, omitting a crucial piece of information that the doses came sooner than expected*.

They are deflecting their own miserable failures by trying to pin it on the provinces. 

ETA - this is not to say our provincial governments are doing a standup job, but the tweets were a ridiculous low-blow.

*https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-millions-of-pfizer-doses-to-arrive-earlier-than-planned/

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« Reply #3110 on: April 09, 2021, 12:54:58 am »
The friction hasn’t been coming from Ottawa.

The ministers tweets came as a result of blatant lies by the Ford government. Setting the record straight was the right thing, and it will be ongoing.

Oh come on.  If that was the case they would've just disputed and corrected Ford.  They wrote a lengthy thread about each province without any context about the doses arriving earlier than planned.

Why cause friction with the other provinces if it was all innocent? 

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« Reply #3111 on: April 09, 2021, 01:10:45 am »
Not faster than most western developed countries.  Our vaccinated rate per 100 people is average to below-average.

https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2021/health/global-covid-vaccinations/

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/world/covid-vaccinations-tracker.html

which are not representative data samples for like-to-like comparison; here, try to recognize the same bullshyte play both you and O'Foole are attempting, hey!

there's a want for many to showcase Canada's "supposed" position in vaccinating the populace... a comparative position to other countries. The broad "Our World Data" comparison that includes all countries has many pertinent details missing; a comparison to other OECD countries is a more representative and valued data sample. In any case, CPC leader O'Foole took it to a whole new level; one that has subsequently rippled on through to and been carried forward by CPC supporters:



O'Foole's preferred data source includes a dozen or so countries with small populations relative to Canada. More pointedly, O'Foole doesn't highlight the number of countries within his source data sample that are vaccinating using Chinese and/or Russian vaccines. Oh wait, is he/CPC advocating for Canada to source from... to have sourced vaccines from Russia... from China? Oh my!  ;D

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« Reply #3112 on: April 09, 2021, 01:14:29 am »
They are deflecting their own miserable failures by trying to pin it on the provinces.

what "miserable failures"? Make up your mind, hey... who just said this: "not the Fed's fault and was a supply issue." Wait, that was you member BC_cheque!

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« Reply #3113 on: April 09, 2021, 01:18:52 am »
Why cause friction with the other provinces
It wasn't just the Ford government... Alberta's Kenney, Saskatchewan's Moe and Manitoba's Pallister have been taking pot shots at the federal government for weeks. You know, Conservative Premier consistency... and all that!


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« Reply #3114 on: April 09, 2021, 01:22:09 am »
what "miserable failures"? Make up your mind, hey... who just said this: "not the Fed's fault and was a supply issue." Wait, that was you member BC_cheque!

It was followed by a "But justified or not, the feds know people are angry and they have this huge albatross hanging around their neck."

So maybe read the post I was responding to and agreeing with for context, this is politicking. 

It's a very cheap one too at that to try to wriggle out of resentment by trying to pin problems on provincial counterparts.... but I don't expect much different from your wonder boy.  You must be working overtime these days.

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« Reply #3115 on: April 09, 2021, 01:27:03 am »
again, member BC_cheque, you stated, "They are deflecting their own miserable failures by trying to pin it on the provinces."

I asked you what "miserable failures"? Apparently, you can't answer so instead opt for deflection and attempted insult!

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« Reply #3116 on: April 09, 2021, 01:29:43 am »
It wasn't just the Ford government... Alberta's Kenney, Saskatchewan's Moe and Manitoba's Pallister have been taking pot shots at the federal government for weeks. You know, Conservative Premier consistency... and all that!

I'm not gonna defend any of them, but the fact remains that our supply has been inconsistent and the provinces can't plan around any of it.  First delays, then unexpected arrivals.  We are going by age and need to book the appointments, we can't just wing it.

Putting it out there that provinces have unadministered doses is a cheap shot given that they just arrived!  Perhaps you might address that fact? 
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« Reply #3117 on: April 09, 2021, 01:41:55 am »
again, member BC_cheque, you stated, "They are deflecting their own miserable failures by trying to pin it on the provinces."

I asked you what "miserable failures"? Apparently, you can't answer so instead opt for deflection and attempted insult!


I said it was for argument's sake.  As in, even IF we say it was supply issue and no fault of their own, they know people are angry (and are politicking). 

I don't think they have done a great job by any stretch.  I've been quite vocal about that and it's pretty well documented.... and reflected in our numbers. 

Maybe try taking your head out of errr, I mean reading something beyond LPC propaganda.  If you're still unclear, I'll check in this weekend and write a more lengthy response.  I have to go to bed.

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« Reply #3118 on: April 09, 2021, 01:43:44 am »
I'm not gonna defend any of them, but the fact remains that our supply has been inconsistent and the provinces can't plan around any of it.  First delays, then unexpected arrivals.  We are going by age and need to book the appointments, we can't just wing it.

Putting it out there that provinces have unadministered doses is a cheap shot given that they just arrived!  Perhaps you might address that fact?

again, make up your mind! You can't refer to "supply issues" on one hand and then claim "miserable failures" on the other! I'm most familiar with Ontario/Ford; for weeks DOFO was shifting blame for his personal and government's failures by claiming they had no vaccines. That resulted in the hashtag trend 'CheckTheFreezerDoug'.

are we making any progress on your claim, "miserable failures"? Are your references to "delays & unexpected arrivals" the basis for your claim/charge? Really? Oh my! And you're the one so emboldened to claim the waldo must be workin' OT for wonder boy! You're heelarious! 
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« Reply #3119 on: April 09, 2021, 01:54:01 am »
I don't think they have done a great job by any stretch.  I've been quite vocal about that and it's pretty well documented.... and reflected in our numbers.

you're saying a lot without any support/substantiation... numbers? You want numbers?

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