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« Reply #3060 on: April 06, 2021, 02:53:50 pm »
You're never going to get to COVID Zero. It'll be an endemic disease as long as you want an open economy.

The US and UK have significantly reduced their death rate and hospitalization because of vaccination. 

We likely will have COVID circulating for some time (or forever) but we can make it less catastrophic and more manageable.  I don't see the problem with a serious lockdown in the home stretch before vaccinating the general population.

 

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« Reply #3061 on: April 06, 2021, 03:00:53 pm »
Even now, because appointments have been made, in Ontario, only people 50+ can get a vaccine. All the while the ICUs are filling up with younger and younger people.

Yeah...  due to the new variants.  However, if the old farts weren’t vaccinated, what would have that meant for them?   Probably much more deaths.

COVID got into a care facility for the old folks here that had been fully vaccinated.   No deaths.  Relatively minor symptoms. 
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« Reply #3062 on: April 06, 2021, 04:58:53 pm »
The US and UK have significantly reduced their death rate and hospitalization because of vaccination. 

We likely will have COVID circulating for some time (or forever) but we can make it less catastrophic and more manageable.  I don't see the problem with a serious lockdown in the home stretch before vaccinating the general population.

I like the thought of the fire a hard lockdown might light under our governments to get vaccinations rolling faster. I heard mention somewhere of how much it would suck to be amongst the soldiers who're killed during the last days of the war.

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« Reply #3063 on: April 06, 2021, 05:15:03 pm »
I like the thought of the fire a hard lockdown might light under our governments to get vaccinations rolling faster. I heard mention somewhere of how much it would suck to be amongst the soldiers who're killed during the last days of the war.

If the Official Opposition CPC were smart (they’re not), this is what they would be demanding of the government.  They would be demanding they get control of the pandemic nation-wide, and then holding the government’s feet to the fire if it doesn’t happen.

Instead, they do what...?   I’m not even sure WTF they’re doing....   calling for an inquiry into something? 

Most people would be behind an approach that reduces deaths.  But I think the issue is that the CPC base would set their hair on fire over any further restrictions.  It’s the CPC base that are calling for “lockdowns” to end.

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« Reply #3064 on: April 06, 2021, 05:27:28 pm »
To be fair, COVID-19 deaths have been mostly 50 per day nationally for about a month. Yesterday was a spike. Hopefully an outlier and not a trend.

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« Reply #3065 on: April 06, 2021, 06:45:37 pm »
If the Official Opposition CPC were smart (they’re not), this is what they would be demanding of the government.  They would be demanding they get control of the pandemic nation-wide, and then holding the government’s feet to the fire if it doesn’t happen.

Instead, they do what...?   I’m not even sure WTF they’re doing....   calling for an inquiry into something? 

Most people would be behind an approach that reduces deaths.  But I think the issue is that the CPC base would set their hair on fire over any further restrictions.  It’s the CPC base that are calling for “lockdowns” to end.

The feds don't want fights with the provinces if the feds declare a national emergency and do their own lockdowns.  I don't blame them.  It would also put more of the blame on themselves if they screw up. 
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« Reply #3066 on: April 06, 2021, 07:36:43 pm »
Most people would be behind an approach that reduces deaths.  But I think the issue is that the CPC base would set their hair on fire over any further restrictions.  It’s the CPC base that are calling for “lockdowns” to end.
I think most provincial leaders would be happy to lockdown their province's if the federal government ponied up the cash required to get Canadians thru the last most gruelling miles of this.

As for the stubbornly recalcitrant few who refuse to get with the program...round em up and send them to Baffin Island for reeducation.  Think of it as getting a head start on building back better.
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« Reply #3067 on: April 06, 2021, 08:58:15 pm »
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Many assumed suicides would spike in 2020. So far, the data tells a different story.

Numerous public figures have claimed a link between public-health restrictions and increased suicide rates, without evidence to back it up. Some merely speculated about the potential early on in the pandemic, while others have made stronger claims more recently.

Ontario MPP Roman Baber was kicked out of the Progressive Conservative caucus in January after sending an open letter asserting public-health restrictions were "causing an avalanche of suicides," among other claims.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/suicides-alberta-bc-saskatchewan-canada-2020-no-increase-1.5902908

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COVID-19 Compliance: One-in-five Canadians making little to no effort to stop coronavirus spread.

https://angusreid.org/covid-compliance/

Probably lots of young conservatives in this lot, usually representative of the worst of them IMO.

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Age is among the most significant factors in the COVID-19 Compliance Index. The younger Canadians are the less likely they are to follow recommended protocols.

We're definitely taking the wrong approach to vaccination. Instead of the most vulnerable we should be jabbing the most dangerous.

 


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« Reply #3068 on: April 07, 2021, 08:14:47 am »
As for the stubbornly recalcitrant few who refuse to get with the program...round em up and send them to Baffin Island for reeducation.  Think of it as getting a head start on building back better.

I'm sure you're joking. But that "lot" thinks that they live in a world where their government would do that, for the wrong political opinions.

There's no policing seeing family and friends. And people do it for multiple reasons. To assume the people that gather with family are just ignorant COVIDIOTS is also a pretty racist notion.

Even the most ardent anti-maskers are still forced to wear a mask in most retail establishments so their idiocy is somewhat blunted.

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« Reply #3069 on: April 07, 2021, 11:13:24 am »
I'm sure you're joking. But that "lot" thinks that they live in a world where their government would do that, for the wrong political opinions.
We need to vastly expand on those ads that encourage people to listen to their voices of reason. Maybe we could rejig the education system and save the next generation from existing in such an ignorant confused state. There can be no doubt human stupidity has been one of SARS-CoV-2's greatest advantage in spreading the way it has, i.e. fake-news and mixed messaging stand out as having the worst influence.

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There's no policing seeing family and friends. And people do it for multiple reasons. To assume the people that gather with family are just ignorant COVIDIOTS is also a pretty racist notion.
Racist? That seems like a bit of a desperate stretch. Please note I'm lambasting stupid people in general.  That probably makes me more of a speceist or something.

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Even the most ardent anti-maskers are still forced to wear a mask in most retail establishments so their idiocy is somewhat blunted.
No, anti-maskers and the abovementioned "lot" have had far more influence over politicians than they deserve. Either because governments are truly afraid of them or because it somehow allows governments to go in a certain direction, such as away from having to make hard decisions.
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Re: Covid Culture (was Outbreak Culture)
« Reply #3070 on: April 07, 2021, 02:14:05 pm »
We need to vastly expand on those ads that encourage people to listen to their voices of reason. Maybe we could rejig the education system and save the next generation from existing in such an ignorant confused state. There can be no doubt human stupidity has been one of SARS-CoV-2's greatest advantage in spreading the way it has, i.e. fake-news and mixed messaging stand out as having the worst influence.

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Racist? That seems like a bit of a desperate stretch. Please note I'm lambasting stupid people in general.  That probably makes me more of a speceist or something.

The underlying assumption of your claim is that people who would see people outside of their household are stupid. That's a desperate and arrogant assumption. It doesn't mean they reject the seriousness of the virus, it's that they value human connection more than the risks.

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No, anti-maskers and the abovementioned "lot" have had far more influence over politicians than they deserve. Either because governments are truly afraid of them or because it somehow allows governments to go in a certain direction, such as away from having to make hard decisions.

I'd agree, in the US. There's something very human about being with other people. Making the claim that only the smart people have locked themselves in their homes for the past 13 months is pretty dumbfounding.

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« Reply #3071 on: April 07, 2021, 02:30:21 pm »
Crappy AstraZeneca vaccine is what happens when you have months of testing instead of years, and the masses become the testing lab.
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« Reply #3072 on: April 07, 2021, 03:52:06 pm »
Crappy AstraZeneca vaccine is what happens when you have months of testing instead of years, and the masses become the testing lab.

Would it be so crappy if it was the only vaccine out there? I would take my chances with the vaccine before Covid any day.
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« Reply #3073 on: April 07, 2021, 04:41:11 pm »
EU not recommending any further restrictions on AstraZeneca vaccine for people over 18.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/ema-astrazeneca-vaccine-1.5977872
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« Reply #3074 on: April 07, 2021, 06:06:54 pm »
The underlying assumption of your claim is that people who would see people outside of their household are stupid. That's a desperate and arrogant assumption. It doesn't mean they reject the seriousness of the virus, it's that they value human connection more than the risks.
I was thinking more about the sort of covidiocy that compels people to crowd into defiant restaurants and force health officials to retreat when trying to enforce a public health order. You OTOH seem desperate to create the sense that this should be more about protecting family values from the Coming of the Red Dawn.  Maybe it's because I'm coming at this with the perspective of a skipper faced with an emergency that's threatening the vessel and it's passengers.  There's no time for debate or defiance, you simply do as you're told. If I have to order my crew or recruit other passengers to deal with a passenger that's interfering with my efforts to save the boat what sort of response could I expect from you?  "Excuse me but I'm a lawyer"!  Oh yeah? Okay...I'm sure I could still find the time for a good old fashioned keel hauling. LOL   

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I'd agree, in the US. There's something very human about being with other people. Making the claim that only the smart people have locked themselves in their homes for the past 13 months is pretty dumbfounding.
Well, I'm a little dumbfounded at why you're denying the fact that a COVID Zero approach works just fine in a stable democracy without causing it's society to come unglued and without destroying it's fabric of values for law abidance and family get-togethers.
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