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« Reply #2895 on: February 21, 2021, 12:31:39 pm »
Canada has effectively vaccinated 0.81% of the population so far. 

Pathetic.
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« Reply #2896 on: February 21, 2021, 12:48:43 pm »
Canada has effectively vaccinated 0.81% of the population so far. 

Pathetic.

Not good, things better start changing in a hurry.
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« Reply #2897 on: February 21, 2021, 01:11:01 pm »
Given how close we may be to getting a handle on this it seems a little reckless to not attempt a variant-zero approach and lockdown like seasoned champs at least until we get a sizable chunk of the population vaccinated.  Medical experts are practically begging to see this variant targeted lockdown happen...last week.
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« Reply #2898 on: February 21, 2021, 01:44:30 pm »
Canada has effectively vaccinated 0.81% of the population so far. 

Pathetic.
Not good, things better start changing in a hurry.

guys, guys... the waldo is calling on your 'keen' insights on what warrants your... pathetic & not good summations - yes?

by the by, current (today's) numbers from the Covid-19 vaccination tracker; keen waldo observation notes many provinces haven't even administered 80% of the vaccines delivered to them - wassupWithThat, hey!

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« Reply #2899 on: February 21, 2021, 01:48:51 pm »
just days ago, Japan begins vaccination campaign... focused on healthcare workers only; just one vaccine approved to-date - the Pfizer_BioNTech vaccine:

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« Reply #2900 on: February 21, 2021, 02:04:49 pm »
Per waldo’s chart. 3.9% have received at least one shot. 1.09% have received both shots.

Oops, 2.8% have received at least one dose, not 3.9%.

Still 42nd in the world.
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« Reply #2901 on: February 21, 2021, 03:51:35 pm »
Obviously provinces are having to strategically give the shots so that people don’t just get a single dose due to supply issues.
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« Reply #2902 on: February 21, 2021, 07:03:02 pm »
Obviously provinces are having to strategically give the shots so that people don’t just get a single dose due to supply issues.

I read somewhere (BBC I think) that UK is doing the opposite.  They're giving out as many first-shots as possible, and it'd be 2-3 months until second shot.  Pfizer advises not to do that because it's not as effective but UK felt it's better to have some protection in more people than a lot of protection in less people.
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« Reply #2903 on: February 21, 2021, 07:17:50 pm »
They are learning a lot about these vaccines as they go along which shouldn't be unexpected considering how quickly they were produced. Some overkill would be prudent early on until they understand them better. Some are saying like longer times between shots can actually increase effectiveness. Moderna is now saying that half doses still give excellent protection.

One advantage of going longer between shots might be having your second shot tweaked for the latest variants.
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« Reply #2904 on: February 22, 2021, 12:18:25 am »
Obviously provinces are having to strategically give the shots so that people don’t just get a single dose due to supply issues.

member squiggy, can ya correlate your 'obviously' to any provincial Covid-19 Immunization Plan? Well, can ya?  ;D

by the by, for example, the latest WHO... and JCVI (UK) dosage recommendations, interval constraints (between 1st & 2nd dose), vaccine supply considerations, etc..



also showing the related part of the B.C. plan that speaks to increasing the interval time between doses... rather than member squiggy's claimed, so obvious,  strategy of giving shots so that people don’t just get a single dose due to supply issues.
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« Reply #2905 on: February 22, 2021, 08:09:35 pm »
Obviously provinces are having to strategically give the shots so that people don’t just get a single dose due to supply issues.

That's not a problem anymore. What happened to Canada when Pfizer retooled was unfortunate, but unavoidable, given that the plant is in Europe. It's also worth mentioning that most countries ahead of us are using one of 3 vaccines that we either haven't yet approved (AstraZeneca) or didn't buy (Sputnik V and Sinovac).  Things are getting better very quickly now, and will only continue to do so.

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« Reply #2906 on: February 23, 2021, 01:43:57 pm »
We better be careful, they might withhold our supply of CanSino Biologics vaccine.

too bad you couldn't offer any positive comment about the efforts the Trudeau Liberal government has made towards vaccine procurement; in any case, good on ya for the CanSino mention... and showcasing your usual naviety! As it turns out the Chinese government has approved 2 Chinese sourced vaccines; Sinovac & Sinopharm. CanSino has not been approved for vaccinating the Chinese populace. Aside from critical review on the questionable Phase 3 clinical trial results, just in recent days, Mexico became the first country to grant 'emergency use' approval to the CanSino vaccine... done because Mexico, like so many other countries, is facing a shortage of available vaccines doses from Pfizer & Moderna - go figure, hey!

a little reminder of what actually transpired concerning the proposed CanSino Phase 3 clinical trial in Canada:

... in any case, some interesting comments have recently come forward from the founder & CEO of CanSinoBIO, Xuefeng Yu. If you don't know, Yu's story in why he originally left China, got his Ph.D. from McGill, then worked 20+ years in the Canadian biopharmaceutical industry... suggests his comments are not politically motivated.

Yu suggests decisions in China on whether to send the vaccine to Canada were “caught in bureaucratic indecision” that occurred right after the Chinese government changed the process for shipping vaccines out of the country subsequent to the signing of Canada's NRC agreement with CanSino. Additionally, there was questioning on the "value add" of the proposed Canadian trial since CanSinoBIO had already completed Phase 1 and Phase 2 trials in China... and, as Yu highlights, Canada lacks a "high disease burden" required for Phase 3 trials:

Quote from: Xuefeng Yu - founder and CEO of CanSinoBIO
In citing the comparatively small number of COVID-19 cases in Canada: "Canada is not an ideal place to run phase three"

CanSinoBIO moved on to sign partnership agreements with companies in Russia, South America and East Africa - where that so-called, "heavy disease burden" suitable for Phase 3 trials exists.

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« Reply #2907 on: February 24, 2021, 10:59:18 pm »
too bad you couldn't offer any positive comment about the efforts the Trudeau Liberal government has made towards vaccine procurement; 

You think people should be praising yer boy for this sad state of affairs?   I'm not going to pump his tires; that's your job. 

 I posted last week saying that I didn't think it was fair to put all the blame on JT and the Sunshine Gang, that's about the most enthusiastic praise I can muster. Canadians will still be waiting for vaccines well after other advanced nations have reached the levels required to start reopening. I'm not sure what positive comment you think is warranted.

in any case, good on ya for the CanSino mention... and showcasing your usual naviety! As it turns out the Chinese government has approved 2 Chinese sourced vaccines; Sinovac & Sinopharm. CanSino has not been approved for vaccinating the Chinese populace. Aside from critical review on the questionable Phase 3 clinical trial results, just in recent days, Mexico became the first country to grant 'emergency use' approval to the CanSino vaccine... done because Mexico, like so many other countries, is facing a shortage of available vaccines doses from Pfizer & Moderna - go figure, hey!

That the CanSino vaccine apparently sucks doesn't make JT look any smarter for having gambled on those magic beans in the first place.

a little reminder of what actually transpired concerning the proposed CanSino Phase 3 clinical trial in Canada:
 
CanSinoBIO moved on to sign partnership agreements with companies in Russia, South America and East Africa - where that so-called, "heavy disease burden" suitable for Phase 3 trials exists.

We've found out since then that the shipment was blocked by China's Customs agency, not over concerns about whether Canada was suitable for trials.

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« Reply #2908 on: February 25, 2021, 12:19:31 pm »
You think people should be praising yer boy for this sad state of affairs?   I'm not going to pump his tires; that's your job.

what sad state of affairs... be specific, be precise as to what you're labeling as a vaccine procurement failure... I appreciate you have difficulty with specificity and preciseness, but give it a try, hey!

I posted last week saying that I didn't think it was fair to put all the blame on JT and the Sunshine Gang, that's about the most enthusiastic praise I can muster. Canadians will still be waiting for vaccines well after other advanced nations have reached the levels required to start reopening. I'm not sure what positive comment you think is warranted.

citation request to support your statement/claim - yes?

That the CanSino vaccine apparently sucks doesn't make JT look any smarter for having gambled on those magic beans in the first place.

what gamble? On a Phase 3 clinical trial where its said Canada doesn't have the 'disease burden' to support running a Phase 3 trial. The founder & CEO of CanSino said as much... and this was reaffirmed in recent days by University of Ottawa School of Epidemiology and Public Health Prof. Amir Attaran when he was asked about the presumed ability of the company Providence to be able to run Phase 2/3 trials in Canada; as I previously quoted:
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"Providence delivering a vaccine by Dec. 31 is so improbable as to belong in the realm of fantasy in my opinion," said Attaran.

He doubts Providence will be able to enrol sufficient participants in its Phase 2 and Phase 3 trials, which have yet to be approved by Health Canada.

as early as August, 2020: the federal Liberal government had announced vaccine agreements with 4 manufacturers. Of course, as was the global situation facing all countries, at that time no Phase 3 trials had been completed by any company, no vaccine approvals had been given by any country. This proactive move by the Canadian government was one of speculation... presuming on the positive results of final trials and that the results would be sanctioned/approved by medical agencies/organizations. And you expected what exactly... in August of 2020? Your expectations were what?

We've found out since then that the shipment was blocked by China's Customs agency, not over concerns about whether Canada was suitable for trials.

 ;D well that would probably be the agency... that would practically extend upon the statements I offered. Do you have anything you can cite that actually counters what I stated. Per your norm you somehow fail to include the full context/statement as you self-servingly pick what you quote; here actually try to counter this full statement with a substantive citation/reference:
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in any case, some interesting comments have recently come forward from the founder & CEO of CanSinoBIO, Xuefeng Yu. If you don't know, Yu's story in why he originally left China, got his Ph.D. from McGill, then worked 20+ years in the Canadian biopharmaceutical industry... suggests his comments are not politically motivated.

Yu suggests decisions in China on whether to send the vaccine to Canada were “caught in bureaucratic indecision” that occurred right after the Chinese government changed the process for shipping vaccines out of the country subsequent to the signing of Canada's NRC agreement with CanSino. Additionally, there was questioning on the "value add" of the proposed Canadian trial since CanSinoBIO had already completed Phase 1 and Phase 2 trials in China... and, as Yu highlights, Canada lacks a "high disease burden" required for Phase 3 trials:

Quote from: Xuefeng Yu - founder and CEO of CanSinoBIO
In citing the comparatively small number of COVID-19 cases in Canada: "Canada is not an ideal place to run phase three"

in any case, CanSinoBIO moved on to sign partnership agreements with companies in Russia, South America and East Africa - where that so-called, "heavy disease burden" suitable for Phase 3 trials exists.

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« Reply #2909 on: February 25, 2021, 02:14:08 pm »
You think people should be praising yer boy for this sad state of affairs?   I'm not going to pump his tires; that's your job. 

 I posted last week saying that I didn't think it was fair to put all the blame on JT and the Sunshine Gang, that's about the most enthusiastic praise I can muster. Canadians will still be waiting for vaccines well after other advanced nations have reached the levels required to start reopening.

You've been reading the National Post too much. Current daily capacity is 75K vaccinations. The provinces will finish today with somewhere just north of 50K. On March 8th, Capacity increases to 95K per day. On March 22nd, it's 123K per day, and that's ignoring any possible further approvals.

In April, Pfizer alone sends enough for 107K vaccinations a day.

We may finish about 1-2 weeks behind Europe, at worst.
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