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Re: Covid Culture (was Outbreak Culture)
« Reply #2250 on: November 26, 2020, 01:18:24 pm »
with this recent posting emphasis on domestic capabilities: in a series of posts the waldo previously highlighted {Liberal} government funding & initiatives... with an emphasis on domestic manufacturing capability; specifically:

... in regards Canadian capabilities to produce vaccines... directly or under license:

as the world's first Phase 2 clinical trial, Canada's National Research Council (NRC) partnered with China's CanSino Biologics in developing the Ad5-nCoV vaccine leveraging NRC's proprietary 'HEC293 Cell Line'... which also included collaboration with the Canadian Immunization Research Network at the Canadian Center for Vaccinology. More pointedly, that collaboration allowed the NRC to advance a scale-up production process for the vaccine candidate; one relying upon Government of Canada funding to support upgrades to the NRC’s facilities in Montreal to enable compliance standards to ensure readiness for Canadian bioprocessing of potential vaccine candidates as they become available.

as I mentioned in an earlier Aug 17 post, this latest announcement is over and above the financial support the Government of Canada initially provided for upgrades to the existing NRC Royalmount Avenue biomanufacturing facility in Montréal; specifically, upgrades to complete in late 2020/early 2021. As for today's latest announcement concerning a new NRC facility... with a completion timeline must sooner than your stated 'will take two years (hopefully)' period; specifically:

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as for the Canadian government's financial support of Canadian companies for vaccine development initiatives:
=> Variation Biotechnologies Inc. (VBI),
=> Medicago,
=> IMV Ltd,
=> VIDO-Intervac

PM Trudeau announces plan to purchase 76 million doses of Canadian-made COVID-19 vaccine

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Prime Minister Justin Trudeau today announced another contract to buy a promising COVID-19 vaccine now in development — part of a plan to secure millions of vaccine doses to inoculate Canadians from the novel coronavirus.

Trudeau said the government has signed a contract to procure 76 million doses from the Quebec City-biotech company Medicago.

Medicago is developing the vaccine in partnership with the British drug company GlaxoSmithKline
. The two companies have said its pre-clinical results show the vaccine demonstrated a "high level of neutralizing antibodies following a single dose."

If the vaccine also performs well in a clinical setting, the companies are on track to make it available in the first half of 2021. Medicago has said it has the manufacturing capacity to produce as many as 100 million doses in 2021.

The federal government is spending $173 million to help Medicago develop the vaccine and build a large plant in Quebec to produce it. Trudeau also announced a $18.2 million investment in Vancouver-based Precision NanoSystems, which offers technology to produce vaccines and therapeutic drugs.

Canada already has signed contracts for tens of millions more vaccine doses with other pharmaceutical giants, such as AstraZeneca, Moderna and Pfizer. All told, the federal government has secured 358 million doses of the COVID-19 vaccine — an insurance policy if some of the vaccines in development prove to be ineffective in clinical trials.

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Re: Covid Culture (was Outbreak Culture)
« Reply #2251 on: November 26, 2020, 01:26:53 pm »
I think we all get the idea waldo. It's all Conservative noise at every opportunity they can get, that they think can work against our government. Note once again that there is no real Conservative agenda for them to push at us so they babble on about nothing.

I just cut through all the bullshit quicker than most and call if 'SPAM'.
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« Reply #2252 on: November 26, 2020, 07:49:56 pm »
It's really all about obeying the message coming out of the US that it's right to hate China.
Your message though is about getting turned on watching things go up in flames. You're a firebug looking for more things to pour gasoline on.

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For those 'Canadians' who this concerns, aren't you proud of your hate for China?
Speaking for myself you'll notice my 'hate' is focused where it belongs, on a powerful dictator who's personal concerns led to disaster - not the people who've suffered the effects of that disaster. Not human beings like my grand-kid's other grandparents who fled Hong-Kong decades ago for example.

You know ****-all and care less about the motivation people have for being concerned and even less for anyone caught in a fire.

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« Reply #2253 on: November 26, 2020, 08:20:22 pm »
So are we all hot about JT's inability to allow for domestic Vaccine Manufacturing?
Not really, the reason for the inability seems fairly straightforward - JT was still a little girl in pig-tails when the inability was being encouraged in Ottawa.  I suppose they coulda/shoulda/woulda surged a couple billion into production facilities the way China surged hospitals but that's just one more delicacy in the smorgasbord of unpreparedness we're muddling thru this with. 

What'll chap my ass is if I find out the government is ignoring the apparent reality some 60% of Canadians aren't interested in being vaccinated and not focussing their efforts on people who are interested.

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/new-survey-finds-more-canadians-are-hesitant-about-getting-a-vaccine-against-covid-19-1.5131271

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Could become a huge issue if this Winter gets really bad and things get a lot better in the US.

Well, it'll tickle the fancy of doom and rage scrollers, but it sounds like we'll get some vaccine and probably lots within the best-case 18 month time-frame experts were advising we'd need to get thru this, which is August-Sept 2021. 

In the meantime...we should be instituting a well-funded shelter-in-place strategy like we did when this started until we do get the vaccine.  If there's any one thing we've learned it's that money makes everything easier. I know the debt-cult will scream "that's forever!!!" but they're just another different virulent strain of covidiots.  The other probably more important thing we've learned is just how disastrously unprepared we were for the effect of stupidity - COVID's favourite and most productive vector.
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« Reply #2254 on: November 26, 2020, 09:18:55 pm »
The more that don't want it, the sooner I will get it. Suits me just fine. Looks like we may be waiting until a few hundred million Americans and Europeans get it first anyway.
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« Reply #2255 on: November 26, 2020, 09:32:40 pm »
The more that don't want it, the sooner I will get it.
You'd think so in theory but I'm just afraid Murphy might have written his Law for times just like these.

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« Reply #2256 on: November 26, 2020, 09:49:43 pm »
You'd think so in theory but I'm just afraid Murphy might have written his Law for times just like these.

Mexico plans to start vaccinating in mid December a few days after the US. Seems we may not be at the front of the line.

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-11-mexico-aims-coronavirus-vaccinations-month.html
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Re: Covid Culture (was Outbreak Culture)
« Reply #2257 on: November 26, 2020, 09:55:09 pm »
Wrong thread.
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« Reply #2258 on: November 27, 2020, 12:32:58 am »
The Economist: Canada has purchased ten doses of the projected covid-19 vaccine supply for each of its citizens, the most for any country or alliance on a per person basis



member wilber, are you privy to the particulars of signed contracts (advance market commitments (AMCs)) between the {Liberal} government and respective vaccine manufacturers?

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Re: Covid Culture (was Outbreak Culture)
« Reply #2259 on: November 27, 2020, 08:57:03 am »
The more that don't want it, the sooner I will get it. Suits me just fine. Looks like we may be waiting until a few hundred million Americans and Europeans get it first anyway.

To Be Fair. They need it more.
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« Reply #2260 on: November 27, 2020, 08:58:50 am »
But when waldo, when? We were late to the table when it came to signing agreements. Tam’s 2 IC said if everything goes right we may have six million doses by April. Enough to do three million people. I hope we can do better than that.
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« Reply #2261 on: November 27, 2020, 09:01:55 am »
To Be Fair. They need it more.

True but it would suck to see other economies taking off while we are still walking around with masks, half of our economy still shut down and seeing borders closed against us.
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« Reply #2262 on: November 27, 2020, 09:12:42 am »
True but it would suck to see other economies taking off while we are still walking around with masks, half of our economy still shut down and seeing borders closed against us.

The truth is, Masking up does nothing to hurt the economy. During the summer we were dining indoors, going to the mall, living almost normally.

Several Thousands of new cases a day is what hurts the economy.

Western Europe's COVID-19 number a very bad.
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Re: Covid Culture (was Outbreak Culture)
« Reply #2263 on: November 27, 2020, 09:22:52 am »
The truth is, Masking up does nothing to hurt the economy. During the summer we were dining indoors, going to the mall, living almost normally.

Several Thousands of new cases a day is what hurts the economy.

Western Europe's COVID-19 number a very bad.

Living in an environment where you have to mask up sure as hell hurts the economy. Once other countries get well advanced int immunization they sure aren’t going to allow in foreigners from countries that aren’t nor are they going to travel to them. You may have been living almost normally last summer but our tourism and travel industries have been on their knees since last March. A vaccine is their only light at the end of this long tunnel.
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Re: Covid Culture (was Outbreak Culture)
« Reply #2264 on: November 27, 2020, 09:33:00 am »
Living in an environment where you have to mask up sure as hell hurts the economy. Once other countries get well advanced int immunization they sure aren’t going to allow in foreigners from countries that aren’t nor are they going to travel to them. You may have been living almost normally last summer but our tourism and travel industries have been on their knees since last March. A vaccine is their only light at the end of this long tunnel.

That's fair, but the main reason international travel is hurting is because of the 14-day quarantine once returning. I'm not going to Tulum for a week if I have to take an additional 2 weeks off once I get home.