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« Reply #1995 on: October 15, 2020, 07:43:47 pm »
oh that's right; you were the guy repeatedly bashing the Trudeau government for not signing on with AstraZeneca... and then after it occurred, said it was, "too little, too late"!  ;D

how does your conspiracy line up with the U.S. signing a deal with AstraZeneca for 200 million doses... along with the manufacturing deals with the plants in NY and New Mexico... is that just "LittlePharma"?

wait, what!  ;D ... just throwin' member wilber a bone!

Canada has signed deal for AstraZeneca vaccine candidate: PM

They have manufacturing deals but the deal is they have to sell at cost for the duration of the pandemic.
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« Reply #1996 on: October 16, 2020, 01:07:39 am »
They have manufacturing deals but the deal is they have to sell at cost for the duration of the pandemic.

no - the initial Oxford University pledge offering open rights (with presumptive resulting low or free cost of manufactured vaccines) to all/any pharmaceutical company fell apart once it made an exclusive deal with AstraZeneca... that exclusive deal with AstraZeneca gave the company, "sole rights and no guarantee of low prices—with the less-publicized potential for Oxford to eventually make millions from the deal and win plenty of prestige".

Oxford’s COVID vaccine deal with AstraZeneca raises concerns about access and pricing

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AstraZeneca stock and options owned by CEO Pascal Soriot have increased by nearly $15 million in value since early April, according to calculations by KHN based on company disclosures. The stock hit an all-time high in July. The stock market value of Novavax, a biotech that never recorded a profit in more than two decades, soared tenfold to $10 billion after a nonprofit and the Trump administration agreed to give it $1.6 billion to make a vaccine.

After Oxford announced the exclusive AstraZeneca deal, the company said it would sell vaccines at no profit—but only during the pandemic. Johnson & Johnson’s pledge to earn no vaccine profit is similarly limited.

With financial information kept confidential, no one will be able to confirm whether the vaccines are truly being sold at cost. And if vaccine immunity is only temporary and endemic coronavirus strains require regular shots for years, the companies will make plenty of money down the road, critics say.

Under its deal with AstraZeneca, Oxford will receive no royalties during the pandemic but could make millions after it ends through a web of patents including those held by Vaccitech, a for-profit spinoff. Vaccitech’s ownership includes a 50% stake held directly or indirectly by Oxford and 5.25% each owned by Hill and Jenner’s other top vaccine scientist, Sarah Gilbert, U.K. regulatory filings show.

AstraZeneca, one of the U.K.’s two major pharma companies, may have demanded an exclusive license in return for doing a deal, said Ken Shadlen, a professor at the London School of Economics and an authority on pharma patents—a theory supported by comments from CEO Soriot.

“I think IP [intellectual property, or exclusive patents] is a fundamental part of our industry and if you don’t protect IP, then essentially there is no incentive for anybody to innovate,” Soriot told the newspaper The Telegraph in May.

If nothing else, governments and vaccine makers should be open about their relationships, including making contracts public, said Duncan Matthews, a patent law professor at the Queen Mary University of London.

“We simply don’t know what’s in these deals,” he said. “The biopharma industry is applying old rules of commercial confidentiality in a situation that is unprecedented.”

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« Reply #1997 on: October 23, 2020, 08:32:02 pm »
as for the Canadian government's financial support of Canadian companies for vaccine development initiatives:
=> Variation Biotechnologies Inc. (VBI),
=> Medicago,
=> IMV Ltd,
=> VIDO-Intervac

PM Trudeau announces plan to purchase 76 million doses of Canadian-made COVID-19 vaccine

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Prime Minister Justin Trudeau today announced another contract to buy a promising COVID-19 vaccine now in development — part of a plan to secure millions of vaccine doses to inoculate Canadians from the novel coronavirus.

Trudeau said the government has signed a contract to procure 76 million doses from the Quebec City-biotech company Medicago.

Medicago is developing the vaccine in partnership with the British drug company GlaxoSmithKline
. The two companies have said its pre-clinical results show the vaccine demonstrated a "high level of neutralizing antibodies following a single dose."

If the vaccine also performs well in a clinical setting, the companies are on track to make it available in the first half of 2021. Medicago has said it has the manufacturing capacity to produce as many as 100 million doses in 2021.

The federal government is spending $173 million to help Medicago develop the vaccine and build a large plant in Quebec to produce it. Trudeau also announced a $18.2 million investment in Vancouver-based Precision NanoSystems, which offers technology to produce vaccines and therapeutic drugs.

Canada already has signed contracts for tens of millions more vaccine doses with other pharmaceutical giants, such as AstraZeneca, Moderna and Pfizer. All told, the federal government has secured 358 million doses of the COVID-19 vaccine — an insurance policy if some of the vaccines in development prove to be ineffective in clinical trials.
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« Reply #1998 on: October 25, 2020, 02:02:56 pm »
as Covid-19 surges across most states - White House Chief of Staff confirms they have given up! Meanwhile Trump/Pence continue to hold large outdoor campaign rallies with little to no masking/social distancing! More pointedly, it has just been announced that {at least} 5 persons in Pence's 'inner-circle' have tested positive for Covid-19... and Pence states he has no intention to follow CDC guidelines to self-quarantine. Pence - the head of the White House Coronavirus Task Force!  ;D



Quote from: Mark Meadows - White House Chief of Staff
We are not going to control the pandemic. We are going to control the fact that we get vaccines, therapeutics and other mitigation areas


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« Reply #1999 on: October 25, 2020, 02:14:53 pm »
as Covid-19 surges across most states - White House Chief of Staff confirms they have given up! Meanwhile Trump/Pence continue to hold large outdoor campaign rallies with little to no masking/social distancing! More pointedly, it has just been announced that {at least} 5 persons in Pence's 'inner-circle' have tested positive for Covid-19... and Pence states he has no intention to follow CDC guidelines to self-quarantine. Pence - the head of the White House Coronavirus Task Force!  ;D



The surge in cases in the US hasn't yet started to translate into deaths. Worldometers actually showed a drop in the death rate yesterday and appears to not reaching anywhere near a thousand today so far.

If the infection rate hasn't been manipulated by a Dem pushed blitz on testing, the death rate could come just a few days before their election.

It's probably one of the biggest factors on Trump's success or lack of, if not the biggest.

Question for you: Do you know when the cutoff time is for the daily report on worldometers for the US? My guess is that it's somewhere around 5 p.m. Atlantic time. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
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« Reply #2000 on: October 25, 2020, 05:40:55 pm »
Ontario shut down non-urgent health services in the spring. Now hospitals are seeing many more patients with advanced cancers
https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2020/10/24/ontario-shut-down-non-urgent-health-services-in-the-spring-now-ontario-hospitals-are-seeing-many-more-patients-with-advanced-cancers.html

I guess these people will be considered collateral damage by the Branch Covidians.  But you people have blood on your hands for the deaths of these people, as well as people that have died from suicide, drug abuse, alcohol abuse, domestic violence, etc.  For whatever reason, you put extra value on a life lost to covid, over lives lost to other things. 
By now, it’s not up to governments to protect you from covid.  The guidelines are quite clear.  Wear masks, avoid large gatherings, wash hands etc.  Stop asking people to stay inside to keep you safe.  Stop asking people to shutdown their businesses to keep you safe.  Stop asking people to put off much needed health services to keep you safe.  Keep yourself safe by practicing the guidelines.

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« Reply #2001 on: October 25, 2020, 05:49:13 pm »

By now, it’s not up to governments to protect you from covid.  The guidelines are quite clear.  Wear masks, avoid large gatherings, wash hands etc.  Stop asking people to stay inside to keep you safe.  Stop asking people to shutdown their businesses to keep you safe.  Stop asking people to put off much needed health services to keep you safe.  Keep yourself safe by practicing the guidelines.

You're truly a fuckin' idiot if you didn't think that there would be other consequences to a global pandemic. 

But you would rather save 50 people from cancer than save 5,000 people from COVID.  That's how stupidly illogical your argument is. 


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« Reply #2002 on: October 25, 2020, 06:29:31 pm »
Question for you: Do you know when the cutoff time is for the daily report on worldometers for the US? My guess is that it's somewhere around 5 p.m. Atlantic time.

I see 0:00 GMT +0 on worldometers graphed data; accordingly, I interpret that to be:

0:00 GMT +0 ... which converts to, for example, Atlantic ADT-3 @ 21:00 previous day or... Pacific PDT-7 @17:00 previous day

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« Reply #2003 on: October 25, 2020, 06:53:50 pm »
I guess these people will be considered collateral damage by the Branch Covidians.  But you people have blood on your hands for the deaths of these people, as well as people that have died from suicide, drug abuse, alcohol abuse, domestic violence, etc.  For whatever reason, you put extra value on a life lost to covid, over lives lost to other things. 

By now, it’s not up to governments to protect you from covid.  The guidelines are quite clear.  Wear masks, avoid large gatherings, wash hands etc.  Stop asking people to stay inside to keep you safe.  Stop asking people to shutdown their businesses to keep you safe.  Stop asking people to put off much needed health services to keep you safe.  Keep yourself safe by practicing the guidelines.

you played this same BS nonsense earlier... and you had studies provided to you that highlighted your idiocy! Try this one that shows that over the period Feb-to-May 4th:

=> across 11 countries 3.1 (2.8–3.5) million deaths were averted owing to interventions (such as the closure of schools and national lockdowns) since the beginning of the pandemic

of course the same study also speaks to infections prevented and what that means in terms of health, welfare, hospitalization costs, etc.. Would you like the example study numbers for that? Let me know, hey!

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« Reply #2004 on: October 26, 2020, 07:24:55 am »
The surge in cases in the US hasn't yet started to translate into deaths. Worldometers actually showed a drop in the death rate yesterday and appears to not reaching anywhere near a thousand today so far.

If the infection rate hasn't been manipulated by a Dem pushed blitz on testing, the death rate could come just a few days before their election.

It's probably one of the biggest factors on Trump's success or lack of, if not the biggest.

Question for you: Do you know when the cutoff time is for the daily report on worldometers for the US? My guess is that it's somewhere around 5 p.m. Atlantic time. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

The thing about COVID deaths in the US, is that they're remarkably consistent. 900-1200 for 4 or 5 days followed by a drop in reporting after the weekend.

That's well above per capita figures from most other developed countries. The irony is that the level of co-morbidity in the US public at large leaves it vulnerable to a disease like this. Ditto with their inability to provide Universal Healthcare.

And yet they also appear to be the most cavalier about the virus. The POTUS Chief of Staff has admitted defeat. There's no way the US can control the pandemic.

I'm glad the border is still closed.

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« Reply #2005 on: October 26, 2020, 11:28:50 am »
You're truly a fuckin' idiot if you didn't think that there would be other consequences to a global pandemic. 

But you would rather save 50 people from cancer than save 5,000 people from COVID.  That's how stupidly illogical your argument is.
Well, you’re certainly fine with not closing things now, even though there are even more cases now than at points during the spring.  How many deaths could be prevented?  Why aren’t you advocating more lockdowns and suspension of so-called non essential services?  Why do you want more old people to die right now than okthewise could be saved?

The best defence against covid is personal responsibility, practing the guidelines of masks, hand washing and avoiding large gatherings.  It always has been.  Lockdowns were destructive, selfish and counter productive.  You Branch Covidians need to admit you were wrong.
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« Reply #2006 on: October 26, 2020, 11:45:21 am »
Well, you’re certainly fine with not closing things now, even though there are even more cases now than at points during the spring.  How many deaths could be prevented?  Why aren’t you advocating more lockdowns and suspension of so-called non essential services?  Why do you want more old people to die right now than okthewise could be saved?

The best defence against covid is personal responsibility, practing the guidelines of masks, hand washing and avoiding large gatherings.  It always has been.  Lockdowns were destructive, selfish and counter productive.  You Branch Covidians need to admit you were wrong.

Because hospitalization is manageable and sustainable in all of Canada right now. It could change in Quebec soon, but not yet.

The reason there were shutdowns in much of the developed world in the Spring was that places like Italy, Spain and New York saw hospitals overrun and difficult decisions on who lived and dies had to be made.

There are good treatments now and protocols have been made.

But we see in Utah, similar "rationing" measures are being planned for.
sltrib.com/news/2020/10/25/with-coronavirus-cases/

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Bell said it’s now all but inevitable that hospitals will need to enact their triage protocols, known as “crisis standards of care.”

“I haven’t said, ‘It’s gonna happen’ — until [Thursday] night,” Bell said. “I told the governor, ‘It’s gonna happen. We’re going to be back here asking for crisis standards.’ ”


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Re: Covid Culture (was Outbreak Culture)
« Reply #2007 on: October 26, 2020, 12:03:22 pm »
The thing about COVID deaths in the US, is that they're remarkably consistent. 900-1200 for 4 or 5 days followed by a drop in reporting after the weekend.

That's well above per capita figures from most other developed countries. The irony is that the level of co-morbidity in the US public at large leaves it vulnerable to a disease like this. Ditto with their inability to provide Universal Healthcare.

Yes, you're hit on some of the factors but there are a couple more that seem to be significant. Trump turned it into a political fight to say that it was insignificant, fake, or other putdowns of the facts and that has caused his followers to react negatively to taking precautions. And I think the American general attitude of resentment of being told or directed to do something to protect themselves is part of it. That's the 'cavalier' factor I think.

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And yet they also appear to be the most cavalier about the virus. The POTUS Chief of Staff has admitted defeat. There's no way the US can control the pandemic.

I'm glad the border is still closed.

You could call it admitting defeat but you could also call it his final effort to put it all down as a fake virus, now that the numbers aren't going to drop in time for the election.

And on a different and contrary note, there's little doubt that the Democrats have played it up as much as they can. That's caused the opposite reaction from the Republicans.

I'm more concerned with indications that this virus could become very scary in the next few months. That will dictate attitudes going forward much more than politics.

At least we're keeping the border closed at this critical time!
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« Reply #2008 on: October 26, 2020, 04:37:27 pm »
It's conclusive today that the virus deaths in the US are falling short of what the Democrats and their media would prefer. This could add to Trump's chances to some degree.

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« Reply #2009 on: October 26, 2020, 04:53:46 pm »
It's conclusive today that the virus deaths in the US are falling short of what the Democrats and their media would prefer. This could add to Trump's chances to some degree.

That's as dumb a statement as ever I've heard. It's the rednecks who are playing so much politics with this issue. The rest of us are wearing masks.