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« Reply #1830 on: August 08, 2020, 11:36:47 pm »
Thanks.  Yes, I'm leaving the job regardless of what happens with school.  My work really suffered trying to keep up with two kids at home.  The school age one isn't that difficult actually, she's a pre-teen and does her own thing anyway.  It's the little one, my mid-life surprise, that we took out of daycare when COVID hit that makes work/life difficult right now.

And no, I have no idea what I'm going to do.  I see burning through my savings in the cards though.
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« Reply #1831 on: August 13, 2020, 10:53:12 pm »
Mexico and Argentina have signed deals for the Oxford AstraZeneca vaccine. Estimated cost per dose $4 USD.

The kicker is the vaccine will be produced in those countries. Mexico and Argentina can make vaccines. Maybe they can make some for us.
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« Reply #1832 on: August 14, 2020, 01:28:58 am »
While Trudeau was having another Kumbaya moment preaching equal distribution of vaccines, other countries have been pro active ensuring their supplies. Canada did nothing.

Now we are at the mercy of the US government and American big pharma again.
Mexico and Argentina have signed deals for the Oxford AstraZeneca vaccine. Estimated cost per dose $4 USD.

The kicker is the vaccine will be produced in those countries. Mexico and Argentina can make vaccines. Maybe they can make some for us.

notwithstanding notice given that the Canadian government continues to work towards other agreements with other vaccine manufacturers... and none of the coronavirus vaccines under development (in Phase 3 clinical trials) has proved its efficacy yet


the Government of Canada has entered into two agreements with Pfizer and Moderna to secure millions of doses of COVID-19 vaccine candidates.
=> Pfizer will supply its BNT162 mRNA-based vaccine candidate, while
=> Moderna will provide its mRNA-1273 vaccine candidate.
=> as active negotiations with other potential vaccine suppliers are under way, the Government of Canada cannot disclose contract details at this time.
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« Reply #1833 on: August 14, 2020, 10:48:22 am »
Russia has a vaccine ready being pushed by Putin.  They don’t know if it works or the side effects, but what heck...   let’s go for it Russia!

https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/russia-s-sputnik-vaccine-gamble-is-all-about-vladimir-putin-1.1479946
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« Reply #1834 on: August 14, 2020, 11:22:58 am »
notwithstanding notice given that the Canadian government continues to work towards other agreements with other vaccine manufacturers... and none of the coronavirus vaccines under development (in Phase 3 clinical trials) has proved its efficacy yet

the Government of Canada has entered into two agreements with Pfizer and Moderna to secure millions of doses of COVID-19 vaccine candidates.
=> Pfizer will supply its BNT162 mRNA-based vaccine candidate, while
=> Moderna will provide its mRNA-1273 vaccine candidate.
=> as active negotiations with other potential vaccine suppliers are under way, the Government of Canada cannot disclose contract details at this time.

Why are we putting all our eggs in an American basket? Trump is no more trustworthy than the Chinese. The AstraZeneca vaccine has been the front runner from the beginning because of the Jenner Institute's MER"S research. It will also be produced at cost. We may be looking at other vaccines but by the time we make up our minds we will be at the bottom of the list. It is only smart to invest in as many of these as possible because the countries that get them first will have their economies recover first. The sooner we get an effective vaccine the sooner we will be able to stop pouring money into things like CERB.

It's a poor reflection on Canada that it can't even produce vaccines under license. I'm not being political because all our governments have allowed that to happen.
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« Reply #1835 on: August 14, 2020, 12:14:30 pm »
Why are we putting all our eggs in an American basket? Trump is no more trustworthy than the Chinese. The AstraZeneca vaccine has been the front runner from the beginning because of the Jenner Institute's MER"S research. It will also be produced at cost. We may be looking at other vaccines but by the time we make up our minds we will be at the bottom of the list. It is only smart to invest in as many of these as possible because the countries that get them first will have their economies recover first. The sooner we get an effective vaccine the sooner we will be able to stop pouring money into things like CERB.

It's a poor reflection on Canada that it can't even produce vaccines under license. I'm not being political because all our governments have allowed that to happen.

again, you don't know... what you don't know!  ;D As has been stated formally by the Canadian government, details of the 2 signed contractual agreements haven't been released because ongoing negotiations continue with other manufacturers/candidates. You don't know if Canada has, or hasn't, secured the ability to produce the 2 respective vaccines under license... you don't know!

in any case, Canada... so far... has secured agreements with 2 of the 6 manufacturers that currently have candidates in Phase 3 clinical trials... and the agreement for the BNT162 mRNA-based vaccine candidate was signed with both, separately, Germany's BioNTech & Pfizer. By the by, are you okay with signing an agreement with a Chinese manufacturer - yes?

waldo offers hairOnFire member Wilber a tidy summary accounting of those current Phase 3 candidate vaccines - as well as a snapshot of current in-progress Canadian initiatives:


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« Reply #1836 on: August 14, 2020, 01:12:37 pm »
We have very little capability to produce vaccines in Canada, licensed or otherwise. Our own pharmaceutical companies produce their stuff outside the country, including in the US. Maybe even in Mexico and Argentina.

I would be OK with going into an agreement with a Chinese company as long as we are also covered by agreements with companies in other countries. We don't know which of these vaccines are going to be successful or the most effective so we need our fingers in as many pies as possible.

PS

Both the vaccines we have contracted are RNA vaccines. What if RNA vaccines don't pan out, we need positions in other types as well.
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« Reply #1837 on: August 14, 2020, 03:29:02 pm »
BC cases are spiking but it's nice to see leadership in action.  Horgan reached out to Ryan Reynolds on social media and Ryan actually took him up on it!! 

I feel so much safer now.  I bet all those 20-39 year olds are really going to stop and think hard about it now that Ryan said something.
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« Reply #1838 on: August 14, 2020, 03:45:36 pm »
I feel so much safer now.  I bet all those 20-39 year olds are really going to stop and think hard about it now that Ryan said something.

Exactly - Deadpool to the rescue! 

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« Reply #1839 on: August 14, 2020, 04:15:38 pm »
"I hope that young people in B.C. don't kill my mom, frankly, or David Suzuki."

Whoo!  Pulling out the Suzuki card!
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« Reply #1840 on: August 14, 2020, 04:16:49 pm »
In all honesty, it's a cute publicity stunt but I wish they'd take more effective measures.
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« Reply #1841 on: August 14, 2020, 08:57:31 pm »
"I hope that young people in B.C. don't kill my mom, frankly, or David Suzuki."

Whoo!  Pulling out the Suzuki card!

I thought it was pretty good actually, I don't know what Horgan expected from him. You are the premier John, the buck stops with you.
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« Reply #1842 on: August 16, 2020, 07:18:19 pm »
notwithstanding notice given that the Canadian government continues to work towards other agreements with other vaccine manufacturers... and none of the coronavirus vaccines under development (in Phase 3 clinical trials) has proved its efficacy yet

the Government of Canada has entered into two agreements with Pfizer and Moderna to secure millions of doses of COVID-19 vaccine candidates.
=> Pfizer will supply its BNT162 mRNA-based vaccine candidate, while
=> Moderna will provide its mRNA-1273 vaccine candidate.
=> as active negotiations with other potential vaccine suppliers are under way, the Government of Canada cannot disclose contract details at this time.
We don't know which of these vaccines are going to be successful or the most effective so we need our fingers in as many pies as possible.

there you go - good on ya! As you say, you don't know if your favoured Oxford AstraZeneca vaccine will prove out... which somehow didn't stop you from declaring PM Trudeau/Canada is "doing nuthin"!

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« Reply #1843 on: August 16, 2020, 07:25:24 pm »
7th candidate vaccine has moved into Phase 3 clinical trials:

=> The Murdoch Children’s Research Institute (MCRI) in Australia is conducting a phase 3 trial using a nearly 100-year-old tuberculosis vaccine - Bacillus Calmette-Guérin (BCG) vaccine... not thought to protect directly against Covid-19 but might boost the body’s non-specific immune response.

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It is hypothesized that BCG vaccination is linked to a less severe manifestation of SARS-CoV-2 in the countries that have it on their regular vaccination schedules. In a study preprint published on MedRxiv.org, a research group states that BCG vaccination is a potential new tool in the fight against COVID-19.

MCRI had initially organized BRACE, a Phase 3, two-group, multicenter, open-label, randomized, controlled trial of up to 4170 health care workers in Australian hospitals to determine if BCG vaccination reduces the incidence and severity of COVID-19 during the 2020 pandemic. Primary results were expected in October 2020, and full study results expected in March 2022.

A grant from the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation will allow the MCRI clinical trial of the BCG vaccine against COVID-19 to extend to 10,000 healthcare workers across Australia, Spain and The Netherlands.

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« Reply #1844 on: August 16, 2020, 07:51:53 pm »
there you go - good on ya! As you say, you don't know if your favoured Oxford AstraZeneca vaccine will prove out... which somehow didn't stop you from declaring PM Trudeau/Canada is "doing nuthin"!

I don’t, that’s point I’m trying to make. We don’t know which of the vaccine types will be most successful so we should have positions in all the most likely.
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