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« Reply #1005 on: April 15, 2020, 11:17:20 am »
FFS member Shady - learn how to size images!  ;D

you've not shown anything to support your continued statements labeling the WHO as corrupt! As for "new information", did you actually read your linked article that emphasizes a delay between January 14-January 20? Here, again, let the waldo repeat (for the nthteentime) the following:


it's all about evidence! What actual evidence, scientific evidence, exists to legitimately, with authority, make pronouncements about human-to-human transmission... with resultant/expected actions therein? As I put forward, the following was the first formal substantive scientific paper (published January 29) that had the evidence for said human-to-human transmission... I expect earlier recognition of this (prior to the formal publish date of Jan 29) is what prompted the WHO to issue its January 22nd notification:
Why can’t you just admit that China lied?  The press has evidence now and is reporting it.  You’re the equivalent of Baghdad Bob, err Beijing Bob! 😀😀😀

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« Reply #1006 on: April 15, 2020, 11:22:06 am »
yes, member kimmy! You've stayed out of this thread long enough to allow the multiple waldo azzWhoopin's you took to be buried... would you like the waldo to resurrect them! I'm keen to have you to extend upon your SquirrelChops and, in particular, have you elaborate further on trends and their relevance to studies presented!  ;D
As I mentioned elsewhere, I was pretty tied up in the days following the end of my quarantine. I didn't have time over the Easter weekend to spend online.

But don't worry, I'll get around to your posts (most of which appear to be just more restatements of your efforts to use that one data point on your graph to try to deflect attention away from China's live animal trafficking, or asking for itemized lists of data that you don't actually need.)

And if you have any particular zingers you want me to respond to, feel free to highlight them.

how intellectually dishonest of you to single out this point from my post... while ignoring the other part that counters your other nonsense!

in any case, I relish you coming back on those prior posts; you're so clearly out-of-your league by nattering on about basic trending and its relevance to those/that particular study. Let's have you show your point-of-sale s/w chops - unleash the mighty Squirrel!  ;D

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« Reply #1007 on: April 15, 2020, 11:31:02 am »
Why can’t you just admit that China lied?  The press has evidence now and is reporting it.  You’re the equivalent of Baghdad Bob, err Beijing Bob! 😀😀😀

you should read... for a change! I've quoted that scientific perspective that speaks to a few days to a week "delay" period before acceptance... threat acceptance was realized; again in your monumental effort to carry water for your described 'Orange Man', you can't manage to distinguish politicization from science and how scientific evidence provides the authority for political pronouncements.

China was slammed for initial COVID-19 secrecy, but its scientists led the way in tackling the virus

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The accusation that the Chinese government delayed in letting the world know about the COVID-19 outbreak has become a political weapon in countries including the US, the UK and Canada.

But China’s scientists have won international praise for hitting several key milestones in understanding the novel, fast-moving virus.

Chinese leaders were seen as slow to react to the outbreak that began in the city of Wuhan, suppressing information and even punishing those who raised the alarm.

There was an early cover up in Wuhan, perhaps a few days to a week, before the threat was accepted. We will never know if faster action in those first days could have averted the outbreak,” said Ian Jones, professor of biomedical sciences at Reading University.

Despite the initial slow reaction from the government, “There has been a very open dialogue [since] and many research findings from the Chinese experience are now appearing,” says Jones.

In January, a team led by Yong-Zhen Zhang, of the Shanghai Public Health Clinical Centre & School of Public Health, published the initial viral genome on two open-access sites, drawing praise for the swiftest sequencing effort ever. Later that month, Chinese doctors and scientists reported the first description of the new disease in the Lancet medical journal.

“Under immense pressure, as the epidemic exploded around them, they took time to write up their findings in a foreign language and seek publication in a medical journal thousands of miles away. Their rapid and rigorous work was an urgent warning to the world. We owe those scientists enormous thanks,” said Richard Horton, Lancet editor.

At the University of Hong Kong, researchers are developing a COVID-19 vaccine, novel screening agents, diagnostic tests and models of infection to trace the source and help prevent future occurrences.

“[We] were among the first teams in the world to produce a detailed cluster report, epidemiology report, electron microscope images and mathematical model of the potential spread of the virus,” said Zhang Xiang, president and vice-chancellor of the university. “Most Hong Kong residents still remember the experience of living through SARS in 2003, several instances of avian influenza, MERS, and now COVID-19.”

Any disagreements over how countries have managed the epidemic has not trickled down into labs, says Michael Head, a senior research fellow in global health in the University of Southampton. “Whilst there will always be the politics of mistrust, I think, broadly, we’re seeing reasonable cooperation between China and elsewhere,” he said.

“The Chinese have been leading the way in publishing open-access evidence on case management, genomics and numerous areas of public health and epidemiology, which has been vital in informing the response in more or less every country
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« Reply #1008 on: April 15, 2020, 12:04:15 pm »
sure, sure - and you believe a self-isolation plan is a guarantee. In any case, your limited analysis somehow failed to tie in the significance of why these isolation plan requirements are now coming forward in the ever changing dynamics at play - you know, the anticipated "surge" of returning snowbirds that chose not to follow the early March federal directive/suggestion to return home (a return that required a 14-day self-isolation).
Did you even read the link I posted? People openly breaking the quarantine act in a RCMP jurisdiction and all they can say is they are developing protocols FFS. Can you name even a single charge that has been made under it?

Returning snowbirds my ass, 90% of them were back by the 23rd of March because they had been informed their out of country medical insurance would no longer be in effect ten days after the Government travel warning was issued on the 13th. Self included.

When it comes to borders and ports, the federal government has been a follower, not a leader.
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« Reply #1009 on: April 15, 2020, 01:11:11 pm »
1. get a grip! Little of this thread has concentrated on the Canadian federal government - but nice of you to come down from your mountain and dispense!

2.  Of course, those inclined will always blindly parrot politicized talking points intended to provide alternate attack outlets while purposely giving cover for Trump's incompetence/dithering!
1. I feel that your 'thank you' isn't as sincere as it could be
2. Of course

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« Reply #1010 on: April 15, 2020, 09:58:23 pm »
Kelly Anne Conway exposed in a recent TV interview that she doesn't understand what the 19 means with regard to describing the Covid virus. Apparently she thinks it's the one after Covid18. Well of course we all know who she works for so I guess her ignorance is understandable. George must have a sore neck by now from shaking his head from pretty much every time his wife opens her mouth.  :(

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« Reply #1011 on: April 15, 2020, 11:05:47 pm »
Kelly Anne Conway exposed in a recent TV interview that she doesn't understand what the 19 means with regard to describing the Covid virus. Apparently she thinks it's the one after Covid18. Well of course we all know who she works for so I guess her ignorance is understandable. George must have a sore neck by now from shaking his head from pretty much every time his wife opens her mouth.  :(

His advisors do book-learnin’ about as well as he does....
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« Reply #1012 on: April 15, 2020, 11:17:37 pm »
His advisors do book-learnin’ about as well as he does....

Evidently.

George Conway, prominent Washington attorney and husband to Donald Trump’s White House Senior Adviser Kellyanne Conway, has once again mocked the president in a series of viral tweets highlighting his apparent lack of geographical knowledge.

From seemingly thinking “Belgium is a city” to believing “there are countries on this planet called ‘Nipple’ and ‘Button’”, the notable conservative lawyer attacked Mr Trump over reports claiming the president is all but aloof when it comes to geopolitical issues.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/trump-map-geography-george-conway-video-mistakes-ukraine-a9306811.html

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« Reply #1013 on: April 15, 2020, 11:22:14 pm »
Reality is ... government has a lot of hard work to do, maintaining supplies and services.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/labour-shortages-emergency-food-power-1.5531583
If cases of COVID-19 continue to multiply, labour shortages could affect food supplies and undermine Canada's critical infrastructure, an internal government briefing note obtained by CBC News warns.

The document, prepared by Public Safety Canada, says accelerating rates of illness among Canadians could create labour shortages in essential services.

The two most "pressing" areas of concern, it says, are procurement of medical goods and the stability of the food supply chain.
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Canadian Labour Congress president Hassan Yussuff said workers have the right to refuse work if they feel unsafe, although the only resistance he's seeing on a national scale so far is happening among long-term care workers who don't have proper safety gear.




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« Reply #1014 on: April 16, 2020, 01:06:26 am »
sure, sure - and you believe a self-isolation plan is a guarantee. In any case, your limited analysis somehow failed to tie in the significance of why these isolation plan requirements are now coming forward in the ever changing dynamics at play - you know, the anticipated "surge" of returning snowbirds that chose not to follow the early March federal directive/suggestion to return home (a return that required a 14-day self-isolation).
Did you even read the link I posted? People openly breaking the quarantine act in a RCMP jurisdiction and all they can say is they are developing protocols FFS. Can you name even a single charge that has been made under it?

Returning snowbirds my ass, 90% of them were back by the 23rd of March because they had been informed their out of country medical insurance would no longer be in effect ten days after the Government travel warning was issued on the 13th. Self included.

When it comes to borders and ports, the federal government has been a follower, not a leader.

presumed (or real) enforcement issues reflect upon policing, not the government that has provided an enforceable order. Like I said, an isolation plan isn't any guarantee that those directed/accepted to self-isolate... will; which, of course, then puts the emphasis back on enforcement. And you thought you were actually making some kind of point?

as for snowbirds, it aligns with the concerns I'm reading about the 10% (say 30,000-to-40,000) of them set to return (now returning) you didn't follow the March federal directive - a/the range figure large enough to have prompted the recent federal update (and B.C. enactment) to provide border agents an alternative option over quarantine... one to allow self-isolation, if a proper supporting plan to do is, as scrutinized by border agents, is accepted. So good on ya with your 90% figure - to correlate with my 10% reference - good on ya!
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« Reply #1015 on: April 16, 2020, 10:10:09 am »
total authority - total!


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« Reply #1016 on: April 17, 2020, 11:57:02 am »
Florida seems poised to ramp up it's numbers of Covid 19 cases shortly. The mayor of Jacksonville is opening parks and beaches in Duvall county. And of course he's doing this with the blessing of governor Ron DeSantis who signed an executive order allowing it, but it's only for "essential activities", such as swimming. I'm sure Trump will be ecstatic to hear a governor/mayor supporting his attempts to get that damn economy going again. I guess if a few hundred more people end up in hospitals or morgues it'll be well worth it. I had some good times in Florida waters back in my sailboat days. I certainly won't be going anywhere near the place any time soon.

Jacksonville, Fla., Mayor Lenny Curry announced Thursday that parks and beaches in Duval County would reopen Friday with certain restrictions. The mayor said restrictions would allow "essential activities" only, as defined in an executive order signed by Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis. Those "essential activities" include walking, biking, hiking, fishing, running, swimming, taking care of pets and surfing, as long as they're done within social distancing guidelines.

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/04/16/836567518/first-florida-beach-reopening-after-coronavirus-shutdown
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« Reply #1017 on: April 17, 2020, 05:10:39 pm »
China just upped their reported deaths by 50%.

Not a surprise from that bunch.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/article-chinas-coronavirus-death-toll-rises-sharply-after-wuhan-announces/

Still probably a bunch of BS. 
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« Reply #1018 on: April 17, 2020, 06:55:25 pm »
China just upped their reported deaths by 50%.

N.Y.C. Death Toll Soars Past 10,000 in Revised Virus Count {adding probable cases} --- The city has added more than 3,700 additional people who were presumed to have died of the coronavirus but had never tested positive.

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~one week difference - yowzer! For the U.S. => ~22,000 deaths over that week... and Trump says "some states are ready to open"!


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« Reply #1019 on: April 17, 2020, 10:08:42 pm »
i'm working on a plan to open up a shop that sells coffins in Jacksonville Florida. I'm thinking trump may want to invest.
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