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« Reply #960 on: April 14, 2020, 12:58:00 am »
The Waldo should work for CSIS!  :D

tread softly! We have pictures of you choking that/your chicken...
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« Reply #961 on: April 14, 2020, 01:11:56 am »
tread softly! We have pictures of you choking that/your chicken...

As well as verbal confirmation.  :o

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« Reply #962 on: April 14, 2020, 01:58:04 am »
oh my! Announced earlier today, Trump's Council to Reopen America: raised concerns that it doesn't include any economists or public health experts has been tempered over the enthusiasm for having Jarvanka on the council. Thankfully Jared was available after completing his last assignment to implement a rigorous and comprehensive national COVID-19 testing system!


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« Reply #963 on: April 14, 2020, 06:47:22 am »
...orange man is bad.  Get some help for that.
Way to go, waldo. This is shady's go-to response when he is backed in a corner, he knows he is out of his league, and he just wants to get away. Next he will agree to disagree, and that will be that. You won.

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« Reply #964 on: April 14, 2020, 09:36:34 am »
the ever astute and knowing Bubber!

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timely that you use the word "dictatorship" - your described OrangeMan declared himself a dictator today - claiming he holds "total authority"!  Yes sir, that's quite the meltdown Trump had today - I was quite busy through the day, so I missed it and will need to catch up... I'll see if I can find any video to share! ;D

about that epic Trumpian meltdown from yesterday's Trump campaign event COVID-19 press briefing... a small segment of the total melt - video showcasing TotalAuthorityTrump:


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« Reply #965 on: April 14, 2020, 10:32:40 am »
during yesterday's epic TrumpMeltdown, Trump played a White House created video showcasing the mostMarvelous job he's done in managing COVID-19... for some reason, it appears staff editing inadvertently made absolutely NO MENTION of anything that occurred during February - uhhh, cause... nuthin' happened other than Trump golfing and holding campaign rallies!  ;D

another video snippet - a gem that features CBS report 'Paula Reid' asking... and pressing the point about Trump dithering:

https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1249827880751824902/pu/vid/960x540/nKaqPiPPgH5gDk9Y.mp4

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« Reply #966 on: April 14, 2020, 10:34:41 am »
Important read!

How China Deceived the WHO

Back in January, when the pandemic now consuming the world was still gathering force, a Berkeley research scientist named Xiao Qiang was monitoring China’s official statements about a new coronavirus then spreading through Wuhan and noticed something disturbing. Statements made by the World Health Organization, the international body that advises the world on handling health crises, often echoed China’s messages. “Particularly at the beginning, it was shocking when I again and again saw WHO’s [director-general], when he spoke to the press … almost directly quoting what I read on the Chinese government’s statements,”

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/04/world-health-organization-blame-pandemic-coronavirus/609820/
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« Reply #967 on: April 14, 2020, 11:09:29 am »
Trump acted sooner than Trudeau.  Whether it was shutting down travel from China and Europe, to talking with private sector companies to produce medical equipment and testing.  Every step of the way, Trudeau acted after Trump.  He’s not a leader, he’s a lap dog.

every step of the way? In terms of travel, yes, the U.S. did restrict travel earlier from China... but that didn't include flights from Hong Kong, Macau, Taiwan, Korea, Japan or Singapore - countries that had identified COVID-19 cases... didn't include travelers recently in China but arriving into the U.S. via a third country. In terms of Europe, there is a 5-day date difference between the restrictions Canada put in place versus the U.S..

Trump keeps playing up the China travel restriction point... while ignoring the absolute fact that he/his admin did bupkis during the month of February - the time period that a travel restriction would have benefited in allowing for the development of, say... comprehensive testing measures - that to this day remain woefully absent across the U.S.. In any case, as follows, a prior post that gives a clearer presentation of the much ballyhooed Trump travel restrictions: 

Trump/admin and acolytes are in hyper-mode trying to impress the point that SaviourTrump's so-called "China travel ban - enacted Feb 2", is the "silver bullet" showcasing Trump's above reproach response in handling COVID-19!

facts:

- on Dec 31: China notified international health officials that it had detected an outbreak of a mysterious pneumonia-like illness
- on Jan 3: Dr. Robert R. Redfield, the C.D.C.’s director, notified Trump's Secretary of Health & Human Services (Alex Azar) that China had potentially discovered a new coronavirus
- from that Jan 3rd date on through to the deployment of Trump's so-called "China travel ban" enacted on Feb 2, at least 430,000 people arrived in the U.S. from China on direct flights; the bulk of these travelers entering at airports in Los Angeles, San Francisco, New York, Chicago, Seattle, Newark and Detroit.
- the described "ban"... isn't a ban; rather, only foreign nationals travel has been restricted while some 40,000 travelers have since entered the U.S. on flights from China over the ~2 months since the Feb 2 enactment... comprised of American citizens, green-card holders and their non-citizen relatives.
- no travel restrictions were put in place for flights from Hong Kong, Macau, Taiwan, Korea, Japan or Singapore
- no travel restrictions were put in place for persons recently in China but arriving into the U.S. via a third country
- no travel restrictions were applied to shipping carriers
- no travel restrictions from Europe were applied; more pointedly: U.S. Got More Confirmed “Index Cases” of Coronavirus From Europe Than From China

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What Trump doesn’t mention, however, is his administration’s failure to restrict travelers from Europe until it was too late. An investigation by The Intercept shows that travel from Europe was a key facilitator of the virus’s spread in the U.S. — a large amount of the first Covid-19 cases in the U.S. can be traced to Europe. While the China restrictions operated as an attempt to close the front door to infections from the nation where the pandemic started, the back door — travel from Europe, where the virus took hold particularly fiercely in Italy — remained wide open until the middle of March and can be connected to a surge of cases in the U.S., especially in the New York area.

of course, following this one-month delay between internal Trump admin notification and the enactment of travel restrictions, on through to the early days of March when testing first began in the U.S. ... on through to present day, the U.S. has still tested less than 1% of its entire population for COVID-19 - testing which doesn't include any contact tracing or antibody detection capabilities.

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« Reply #968 on: April 14, 2020, 11:10:14 am »
Also China still won’t disclose the origin of the virus.  And on January 23rd, China shuts down ground travel and air travel from Wuhan, BUT NOT INTERNATIONAL FLIGHTS.

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« Reply #969 on: April 14, 2020, 11:23:35 am »
Important read!

How China Deceived the WHO

Back in January, when the pandemic now consuming the world was still gathering force, a Berkeley research scientist named Xiao Qiang was monitoring China’s official statements about a new coronavirus then spreading through Wuhan and noticed something disturbing. Statements made by the World Health Organization, the international body that advises the world on handling health crises, often echoed China’s messages. “Particularly at the beginning, it was shocking when I again and again saw WHO’s [director-general], when he spoke to the press … almost directly quoting what I read on the Chinese government’s statements,”

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/04/world-health-organization-blame-pandemic-coronavirus/609820/

member latecomerShady, already covered. As follows a MuchMoreAccurate Important Read!

Well turns out the WHO is a corrupt organization that worries about politics not just global health and covered for China when it was lying about COVID.  The WHO needs to be held accountable for the lives it has cost based on the bad advice it gave the world.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/04/world-health-organization-blame-pandemic-coronavirus/609820/

Now calm yourself, cause the waldo ain't sayin the WHO doesn't warrant criticism; however, it should be legitimate/properly investigated and completely free of partisan political influence (willingly or not).

the waldo took just one of your links (from the Atlantic) for shytes&giggles; the whole article delves on a single WHO tweet from January 14; this one that references PRELIMINARY investigations... NO clear evidence:


from an earlier post; one coincident to that same January 14 date showing actual notifications from the formal WHO COVID-19 timeline:
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the mid-January notifications from the WHO... that I'm aware of:

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14 January 2020 --- WHO's technical lead for the response noted in a press briefing there may have been limited human-to-human transmission of the coronavirus (in the 41 confirmed cases), mainly through family members, and that there was a risk of a possible wider outbreak. The lead also said that human-to-human transmission would not be surprising given our experience with SARS, MERS and other respiratory pathogens. 

22 January 2020 --- WHO mission to China issued a statement saying that there was evidence of human-to-human transmission in Wuhan but more investigation was needed to understand the full extent of transmission.

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« Reply #970 on: April 14, 2020, 12:02:57 pm »
It gets even worse for The World Health Organization.

Dr. Maria Van Kerkhove suspected MERS-like transmission of the emerging COVID-19 outbreak in China, but the World Health Organization cast doubt on the risk of human-to-human transmission two weeks later in their public statement.

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« Reply #971 on: April 14, 2020, 12:04:05 pm »
Also China still won’t disclose the origin of the virus.  And on January 23rd, China shuts down ground travel and air travel from Wuhan, BUT NOT INTERNATIONAL FLIGHTS.

member Shady, as much as you're following Trumpist talking points, aspects of the virus have moved beyond the political and into the purview of scientists. I've put forward published study examples of early/ongoing analysis of known COVID-19 cases, where Chinese scientists are prominent in those studies. As I'm aware, at this point there is no consensus among scientists as to the origin point and source location of the virus... there is no definitive evidence to make such a determination. Or do you have a source to align with your conspiratorial slanted statement?

as I'm aware, China locked down the city of Wuhan (11 million people) on January 23rd... the same day other cities within the province of Hubei were also locked down (impacting upon a total population of 57 million people). As I interpret scheduled international flights for that day were allowed to leave. But hey now, your described "Orange Man" only initiated his much vaunted travel restrictions from China on February 2nd... geezaz, member Shady!

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« Reply #972 on: April 14, 2020, 12:06:52 pm »
member Shady, as much as you're following Trumpist talking points, aspects of the virus have moved beyond the political and into the purview of scientists. I've put forward published study examples of early/ongoing analysis of known COVID-19 cases, where Chinese scientists are prominent in those studies. As I'm aware, at this point there is no consensus among scientists as to the origin point and source location of the virus... there is no definitive evidence to make such a determination. Or do you have a source to align with your conspiratorial slanted statement?

as I'm aware, China locked down the city of Wuhan (11 million people) on January 23rd... the same day other cities within the province of Hubei were also locked down (impacting upon a total population of 57 million people). As I interpret scheduled international flights for that day were allowed to leave. But hey now, your described "Orange Man" only initiated his much vaunted travel restrictions from China on February 2nd... geezaz, member Shady!
Believe it or not, it’s possible to not like Trump, but also hold China accountable for their actions.  It’s not an either or.
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« Reply #973 on: April 14, 2020, 12:23:39 pm »
Believe it or not, it’s possible to not like Trump, but also hold China accountable for their actions.  It’s not an either or.

as a Trump cheerleader, how would you know? Again, warranted/legitimate criticism of China goes beyond partisan attempts to provide deflection/distraction for Trump's woeful mediocrity, dithering and absolute incompetence... it goes beyond parroting Trumpist talking points; goes beyond perpetually making unsubstantiated statements and claims.

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« Reply #974 on: April 14, 2020, 12:57:31 pm »
as a Trump cheerleader, how would you know? Again, warranted/legitimate criticism of China goes beyond partisan attempts to provide deflection/distraction for Trump's woeful mediocrity, dithering and absolute incompetence... it goes beyond parroting Trumpist talking points; goes beyond perpetually making unsubstantiated statements and claims.
I’m not a Trump cheerleader, I’m just not suffering from TDS, so it may look like I am.  If anyone’s a cheerleader, it’s you for China.  Sad.
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