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« Reply #945 on: April 13, 2020, 04:40:49 pm »
Well turns out the WHO is a corrupt organization that worries about politics not just global health and covered for China when it was lying about COVID.  The WHO needs to be held accountable for the lives it has cost based on the bad advice it gave the world.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/08/world/asia/trump-who-coronavirus-china.html

https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/14/asia/coronavirus-who-china-intl-hnk/index.html

https://thehill.com/opinion/international/487851-china-and-the-whos-chief-hold-them-both-accountable-for-pandemic

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/04/world-health-organization-blame-pandemic-coronavirus/609820/
Hopefully some of the good that comes of this is a total overhaul of the WHO.  It’s almost criminal what they’ve become.
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« Reply #946 on: April 13, 2020, 05:13:46 pm »
Today Dr. Fauci confirmed that the first time he and Dr. Birx recommended mitigation in the form of a shut down to the president, the president acted on their recommendation.

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« Reply #947 on: April 13, 2020, 05:19:58 pm »
You still haven’t addressed China’s muzzling of scientist.  Too busy carrying water huh?  China was dealing with covid all through December, but were suppose to believe that there was only limited evidence of transmission?  Come on man, you’re smarter than to believe such propaganda, especially when China completely shut down Wuhan shorty after the inexcusably wrong assessment from the WHO.  Stop making excuses for China’s grossly irresponsible behaviour.  You need to stop viewing everything through the prism of Trump.  Start holding China accountable for their actions instead of perpetuating their lies and propaganda just because orange man bad.  They clearly lied, and it’s led to tens of thousands of deaths worldwide.
Hopefully some of the good that comes of this is a total overhaul of the WHO.  It’s almost criminal what they’ve become.

I note you've ignored my requests for you to substantiate your statements... that you've ignored my repeated rebuffs of your unsubstantiated statements. Like I said, on this board, baseless nattering/propagandizing (like yours) will be scrutinized... challenged. Such a change from the cozy comforts of your closed-shop bubble/echo chamber, hey!

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« Reply #948 on: April 13, 2020, 05:21:28 pm »
At least the rest of the world is finally jumping on the "F*** China" bandwagon that I've been preaching for a couple of years now. 
Maybe after 15 years of being on the bandwagon it'll finally dawn on you that f***ing China involves our being able to prevent our government from f***ing us.

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Maybe it's time Canada relied on its own intelligence and the Five Eyes rather than the WHO.  China keeps gaining international influence and it seems to be for the worse.
I suppose but what's the point if we can't rely on our Five Eyes to do its job and get the news out that something was happening in China that could be cataclysmic to us?

The Five Eyes are blind and useless to us without a public Sixth Eye Canadians can rely on to keep an eye them.

You know what I mean by that.  I've been on the Total Public Awareness bandwagon getting on near 22 years now.

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« Reply #949 on: April 13, 2020, 05:31:32 pm »
Maybe after 15 years of being on the bandwagon it'll finally dawn on you that f***ing China involves our being able to prevent our government from f***ing us.

I don't know what this sentence means.

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« Reply #950 on: April 13, 2020, 05:43:10 pm »
Today Dr. Fauci confirmed that the first time he and Dr. Birx recommended mitigation in the form of a shut down to the president, the president acted on their recommendation.

acted how? As I've stated several times now, U.S. State Governors hold the keys!

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In actuality, the decision on when and how to reopen is not entirely Mr. Trump’s to make because he never ordered it closed. The stay-at-home edicts that have kept the vast bulk of Americans indoors were issued by governors state by state.

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« Reply #951 on: April 13, 2020, 05:49:32 pm »
Blah blah blah.  I didn't read anything past waldiot calling me a covidiot.  Feel free to waste your own time though.  If you don't like the articles i really don't care.

according to your penchant to simply paste go-fetch links, you believe my/our time is YOUR time. Rise-up SelfIso... rise-up and go beyond blindly copying/pasting links that you can't even be bothered to comment on yourself! I actually liked your articles... rebuffing them was gold, real gold!

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« Reply #952 on: April 13, 2020, 06:14:06 pm »
I don't know what this sentence means.
Preventing official opacity.

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« Reply #953 on: April 13, 2020, 06:48:24 pm »
I note you've ignored my requests for you to substantiate your statements... that you've ignored my repeated rebuffs of your unsubstantiated statements. Like I said, on this board, baseless nattering/propagandizing (like yours) will be scrutinized... challenged. Such a change from the cozy comforts of your closed-shop bubble/echo chamber, hey!
I’ve posted several times on China’s irresponsible behaviour and their muzzling of scientists.  If only Harper was doing it, then you might actually give a damn.  Instead you just go on carrying water for a ruthless dictatorship, all because orange man is bad.  Get some help for that.



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« Reply #956 on: April 14, 2020, 12:42:12 am »
You still haven’t addressed China’s muzzling of scientist.

China was dealing with covid all through December, but were suppose to believe that there was only limited evidence of transmission? 

Come on man, you’re smarter than to believe such propaganda, especially when China completely shut down Wuhan shorty after the inexcusably wrong assessment from the WHO.
I’ve posted several times on China’s irresponsible behaviour and their muzzling of scientists.  If only Harper was doing it, then you might actually give a damn.  Instead you just go on carrying water for a ruthless dictatorship, all because orange man is bad.  Get some help for that.

please substantiate your statement: "the inexcusably wrong assessment from the WHO"... what wrong assessment, made when?

your nattering about "muzzled scientists" needs contextual reference and a relevant timeline. I appreciate you're used to just sayin' whatever, but again, on this board substantiation is the norm. What's most pointedly needed is for you to provide the period of time over which said "irresponsible behaviour & scientist muzzling" occurred... that is to say, what impact it had.

you speak of, "China dealing with COVID all through December" - please provide details and a timeline that supports your statement, with particular attention given to your "all through December" reference. I've put forward numerous posts that have dated events within them... events that align with formal notifications made by China to international health organizations/the WHO; events that correlate with published scientific papers; the sharing of sequenced genome data, etc..

I look forward to reading your factual, legitimate and substantiated accounting of your claimed irresponsible behaviour/scientists muzzling by China - and, again, most pointedly how that aligns/fits within the broader public knowledge of China notifications and actions taken to aid foreign governments/international health organizations/scientific community.

China was slammed for initial COVID-19 secrecy, but its scientists led the way in tackling the virus

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The accusation that the Chinese government delayed in letting the world know about the COVID-19 outbreak has become a political weapon in countries including the US, the UK and Canada.

But China’s scientists have won international praise for hitting several key milestones in understanding the novel, fast-moving virus.

Chinese leaders were seen as slow to react to the outbreak that began in the city of Wuhan, suppressing information and even punishing those who raised the alarm.

There was an early cover up in Wuhan, perhaps a few days to a week, before the threat was accepted. We will never know if faster action in those first days could have averted the outbreak,” said Ian Jones, professor of biomedical sciences at Reading University.

Despite the initial slow reaction from the government, “There has been a very open dialogue [since] and many research findings from the Chinese experience are now appearing,” says Jones.

In January, a team led by Yong-Zhen Zhang, of the Shanghai Public Health Clinical Centre & School of Public Health, published the initial viral genome on two open-access sites, drawing praise for the swiftest sequencing effort ever. Later that month, Chinese doctors and scientists reported the first description of the new disease in the Lancet medical journal.

“Under immense pressure, as the epidemic exploded around them, they took time to write up their findings in a foreign language and seek publication in a medical journal thousands of miles away. Their rapid and rigorous work was an urgent warning to the world. We owe those scientists enormous thanks,” said Richard Horton, Lancet editor.

At the University of Hong Kong, researchers are developing a COVID-19 vaccine, novel screening agents, diagnostic tests and models of infection to trace the source and help prevent future occurrences.

“[We] were among the first teams in the world to produce a detailed cluster report, epidemiology report, electron microscope images and mathematical model of the potential spread of the virus,” said Zhang Xiang, president and vice-chancellor of the university. “Most Hong Kong residents still remember the experience of living through SARS in 2003, several instances of avian influenza, MERS, and now COVID-19.”

Any disagreements over how countries have managed the epidemic has not trickled down into labs, says Michael Head, a senior research fellow in global health in the University of Southampton. “Whilst there will always be the politics of mistrust, I think, broadly, we’re seeing reasonable cooperation between China and elsewhere,” he said.

The Chinese have been leading the way in publishing open-access evidence on case management, genomics and numerous areas of public health and epidemiology, which has been vital in informing the response in more or less every country.”


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« Reply #957 on: April 14, 2020, 12:44:36 am »
WTF!

twice now!  ;D Yet another paste of, count em, 4 go-fetch links... the waldo senses a pattern here!

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« Reply #958 on: April 14, 2020, 12:53:42 am »
twice now!  ;D Yet another paste of, count em, 4 go-fetch links... the waldo senses a pattern here!

The Waldo should work for CSIS!  :D
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« Reply #959 on: April 14, 2020, 12:55:58 am »
Instead you just go on carrying water for a ruthless dictatorship, all because orange man is bad.  Get some help for that.

it goes without saying, but I'll say it: do you interpret your described orangeMan is faultless in how he has reacted since first being alerted to the virus/disease in "early January".

timely that you use the word "dictatorship" - your described OrangeMan declared himself a dictator today - claiming he holds "total authority"!  Yes sir, that's quite the meltdown Trump had today - I was quite busy through the day, so I missed it and will need to catch up... I'll see if I can find any video to share! ;D

member Shady, it appears you missed the following... surely you wouldn't just ignore it, right?
Today Dr. Fauci confirmed that the first time he and Dr. Birx recommended mitigation in the form of a shut down to the president, the president acted on their recommendation.

acted how? As I've stated several times now, U.S. State Governors hold the keys!

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In actuality, the decision on when and how to reopen is not entirely Mr. Trump’s to make because he never ordered it closed. The stay-at-home edicts that have kept the vast bulk of Americans indoors were issued by governors state by state.