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Offline Granny

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« Reply #930 on: April 13, 2020, 07:18:22 am »
Thank you Jason Kenney.

https://calgaryherald.com/opinion/columnists/braid-in-striking-act-of-generosity-alberta-donates-protective-gear-worth-41-million-to-three-provinces

$41m worth of PPE.
Apparently Alberta's single health unit is better prepared than Ontario and Quebec's multiple regional health authorities.
Now there's a clue to planning for the  next pandemic! Clearly such planning and preparation should not be left to regional health authorities and long term care facilities whose operating budgets are constantly limited and attacked and not capable of preparing for a pandemic. Some health admin  functions like emergency preparedness must be centrally organized.

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« Reply #931 on: April 13, 2020, 12:49:32 pm »
Well turns out the WHO is a corrupt organization that worries about politics not just global health and covered for China when it was lying about COVID.  The WHO needs to be held accountable for the lives it has cost based on the bad advice it gave the world.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/08/world/asia/trump-who-coronavirus-china.html

https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/14/asia/coronavirus-who-china-intl-hnk/index.html

https://thehill.com/opinion/international/487851-china-and-the-whos-chief-hold-them-both-accountable-for-pandemic

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/04/world-health-organization-blame-pandemic-coronavirus/609820/
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« Reply #932 on: April 13, 2020, 01:45:18 pm »
Well turns out the WHO is a corrupt organization that worries about politics not just global health and covered for China when it was lying about COVID.  The WHO needs to be held accountable for the lives it has cost based on the bad advice it gave the world.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/08/world/asia/trump-who-coronavirus-china.html

https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/14/asia/coronavirus-who-china-intl-hnk/index.html

https://thehill.com/opinion/international/487851-china-and-the-whos-chief-hold-them-both-accountable-for-pandemic

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/04/world-health-organization-blame-pandemic-coronavirus/609820/

So, do you think the WHO has its own intelligence gathering organization (CIA, MI6, CSIS etc) or does it have to rely on the information it gets from governments?

Turns out military intelligence was warning governments back in January, particularly the 5 Eyes countries but were largely ignored until March.
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« Reply #933 on: April 13, 2020, 01:49:58 pm »
Well turns out the WHO is a corrupt organization that worries about politics not just global health and covered for China when it was lying about COVID.  The WHO needs to be held accountable for the lives it has cost based on the bad advice it gave the world.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/04/world-health-organization-blame-pandemic-coronavirus/609820/

don't hurt yourself... analysis is tough... going beyond a link dump takes time/energy and you've already stated how you're preoccupied with self-satisfaction!

by the by, did you happen to hear/see any of Trump's foreshadowing comments last week... that they were (I paraphrase) coming for the WHO? I trust your willingness to blindly throw cover for yet another Trump deflecting blame target gives you solace. Now calm yourself, cause the waldo ain't sayin the WHO doesn't warrant criticism; however, it should be warranted/properly investigated and completely free of partisan political influence (willingly or not).

the waldo took just one of your links (from the Atlantic) for shytes&giggles; the whole article delves on a single WHO tweet from January 14; this one that references PRELIMINARY investigations... NO clear evidence:


from an earlier post; one coincident to that same January 14 date showing actual notifications from the formal WHO COVID-19 timeline:
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the mid-January notifications from the WHO... that I'm aware of:

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14 January 2020 --- WHO's technical lead for the response noted in a press briefing there may have been limited human-to-human transmission of the coronavirus (in the 41 confirmed cases), mainly through family members, and that there was a risk of a possible wider outbreak. The lead also said that human-to-human transmission would not be surprising given our experience with SARS, MERS and other respiratory pathogens. 

22 January 2020 --- WHO mission to China issued a statement saying that there was evidence of human-to-human transmission in Wuhan but more investigation was needed to understand the full extent of transmission.

uhhh, SelfIso... that's quite the link drop you've offered!  ;D The waldo prefers you do your own review/analysis... that you go beyond just blindly dropping go-fetch links forcing others to do your work for you!
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Offline Queefer Sutherland

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« Reply #934 on: April 13, 2020, 02:03:13 pm »
uhhh, SelfIso... that's quite the link drop you've offered!  ;D The waldo prefers you do your own review/analysis... that you go beyond just blindly dropping go-fetch links forcing others to do your work for you!

Your propaganda analysis is BS, so I typically don't read it.  You cut and paste what fits your narrative and ignore the rest.  Why would anyone listen to me when they can read actual articles from journalists.  I know reading articles can be hard, much harder than reading tweets.  You can do it wally.
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« Reply #935 on: April 13, 2020, 02:06:53 pm »
Well turns out the WHO is a corrupt organization that worries about politics not just global health and covered for China when it was lying about COVID.  The WHO needs to be held accountable for the lives it has cost based on the bad advice it gave the world.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/08/world/asia/trump-who-coronavirus-china.html

https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/14/asia/coronavirus-who-china-intl-hnk/index.html

https://thehill.com/opinion/international/487851-china-and-the-whos-chief-hold-them-both-accountable-for-pandemic

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/04/world-health-organization-blame-pandemic-coronavirus/609820/

I think you got the cart before the horse on this one. The articles themselves suggest China officials need to be blamed before the WHO. Trump of course jumped on that bandwagon even though it was early warnings from his own staff that he ignored.   

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« Reply #936 on: April 13, 2020, 02:19:41 pm »
So, do you think the WHO has its own intelligence gathering organization (CIA, MI6, CSIS etc) or does it have to rely on the information it gets from governments?

Turns out military intelligence was warning governments back in January, particularly the 5 Eyes countries but were largely ignored until March.

If the WHO relies on info China feeds to them, they need to stop.  At least the rest of the world is finally jumping on the "F*** China" bandwagon that I've been preaching for a couple of years now. 

Maybe it's time Canada relied on its own intelligence and the Five Eyes rather than the WHO.  China keeps gaining international influence and it seems to be for the worse.
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« Reply #937 on: April 13, 2020, 02:21:03 pm »
I think you got the cart before the horse on this one. The articles themselves suggest China officials need to be blamed before the WHO. Trump of course jumped on that bandwagon even though it was early warnings from his own staff that he ignored.   

The articles say the WHO also covered for China and their attempts to cover things up.  The WHO lauded China's "transparency".
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« Reply #938 on: April 13, 2020, 02:31:37 pm »
. Now calm yourself, cause the waldo ain't sayin the WHO doesn't warrant criticism; however, it should be warranted/properly investigated and completely free of partisan political influence (willingly or not).

I agree.
 Process is better than mudslinging.

Interesting graphic here

https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/1712761/
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« Reply #939 on: April 13, 2020, 02:33:33 pm »
Your propaganda analysis is BS, so I typically don't read it.

what/who am I propagandizing for? I bring receipts... you should try it sometime!

You cut and paste what fits your narrative and ignore the rest.

says you - the guy who just pasted 4 go-fetch links... while offering SFA of your own review/analysis commentary

Why would anyone listen to me when they can read actual articles from journalists.  I know reading articles can be hard, much harder than reading tweets.  You can do it wally.

I'm not surprised that you would outright believe that journalists/sources, particularly in this day of scaled back media resourcing and an emphasis on shared syndication, are not infallible, are not subject to influence, are not biased (willingly or not), etc.. Besides, your boy Trump says its all Fake News, right?

so... I just looked at the listing of the 3 other links you dropped. The "Hill" is typically slanted heavily right-wing... notwithstanding the article is an OPINION piece. I read the first few paragraphs of the NYT article and quit after it brought forward the same nonsense I've just covered previously (vis-a-vis the January 14th tweet) - somehow these favoured journalists of yours "aren't aware" of the official WHO COVID-19 timeline that I compared that tweet to... again, the tweet that includes those damning words "Preliminary investigations"! ;D

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« Reply #940 on: April 13, 2020, 02:42:53 pm »
so... I just looked at the listing of the 3 other links you dropped. The "Hill" is typically slanted heavily right-wing... notwithstanding the article is an OPINION piece. I read the first few paragraphs of the NYT article and quit after it brought forward the same nonsense I've just covered previously (vis-a-vis the January 14th tweet) - somehow these favoured journalists of yours "aren't aware" of the official WHO COVID-19 timeline that I compared that tweet to... again, the tweet that includes those damning words "Preliminary investigations"! ;D

Ya the NYT and CNN are Trump-loving right-wing orgs that will parrot his BS with pleasure.  ???

Omg an opinion piece!  Waldo's posts are all opinion pieces so I guess we should ignore those too.  I know I do!
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« Reply #941 on: April 13, 2020, 02:49:18 pm »
If the WHO relies on info China feeds to them, they need to stop.  At least the rest of the world is finally jumping on the "F*** China" bandwagon that I've been preaching for a couple of years now. 

Maybe it's time Canada relied on its own intelligence and the Five Eyes rather than the WHO.  China keeps gaining international influence and it seems to be for the worse.

So where do you think the WHO gets its Canadian info from, or any other country for that matter? Do you think China or any other country allows WHO observers into their health care systems?
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« Reply #942 on: April 13, 2020, 03:41:15 pm »
so... I just looked at the listing of the 3 other links you dropped. The "Hill" is typically slanted heavily right-wing... notwithstanding the article is an OPINION piece. I read the first few paragraphs of the NYT article and quit after it brought forward the same nonsense I've just covered previously (vis-a-vis the January 14th tweet) - somehow these favoured journalists of yours "aren't aware" of the official WHO COVID-19 timeline that I compared that tweet to... again, the tweet that includes those damning words "Preliminary investigations"! ;D
Ya the NYT and CNN are Trump-loving right-wing orgs that will parrot his BS with pleasure.  ???

Omg an opinion piece!  Waldo's posts are all opinion pieces so I guess we should ignore those too.  I know I do!

again, in the face of you simply dropping go-fetch links... 4 of them no less, you should anticipate others will use some preliminary criteria as to whether or not to read them. I appreciate you believe your time is more valuable than anyone else's! I didn't read your linked CNN article. I read the Atlantic one fully and provided you a retort, in kind. As I said, I read the first few paragraphs of the NYT article and bailed on it after reading the same emphasis the Atlantic article presented - as in bullshyte! And as I said, I don't typically read the Hill given its usual overt right-wing slant - notwithstanding I bailed on the article because it was nothing more than an opinion piece... as much as you wanted to emphasize you put forward JOURNALISTS... the 2 authors of that Hill article are anything but journalists, you blathering Covidiot! 

now, let the waldo show you how its done... show you how to do research, bring it forward to the board and present it in a meaningful, contextually relevant manner. It does take a tad more effort than your (offered without personal comment) lazyazz pasting of go-fetch links. Here, in regards human-to-human transmission and evidence therein, chew on this paper reference as originally published January 29 (in the New England Journal of Medicine) - as I'm aware, the first substantive, comprehensive study analyzing the first 425 laboratory confirmed cases of persons (from Wuhan) known to have contracted COVID-19:



like I said, I bring receipts. So... this formal published study (Early Transmission Dynamics in Wuhan, China, of Novel Coronavirus–Infected Pneumonia), appears on January 29 - confirmation of, with evidence, human-to-human transmission. Again, as I've posted previously, 2 dates from the official WHO COVID-19 timeline:

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the mid-January notifications from the WHO... that I'm aware of:

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14 January 2020 --- WHO's technical lead for the response noted in a press briefing there may have been limited human-to-human transmission of the coronavirus (in the 41 confirmed cases), mainly through family members, and that there was a risk of a possible wider outbreak. The lead also said that human-to-human transmission would not be surprising given our experience with SARS, MERS and other respiratory pathogens. 

22 January 2020 --- WHO mission to China issued a statement saying that there was evidence of human-to-human transmission in Wuhan but more investigation was needed to understand the full extent of transmission.

SelfIso, you're welcome...

on edit: added link to study - published paper Li Q, et al. N Engl J Med. 2019;doi:10.1056/NEJMoa2001316
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« Reply #943 on: April 13, 2020, 04:20:43 pm »
again, in the face of you simply dropping go-fetch links... 4 of them no less, you should anticipate others will use some preliminary criteria as to whether or not to read them. I appreciate you believe your time is more valuable than anyone else's! I didn't read your linked CNN article. I read the Atlantic one fully and provided you a retort, in kind. As I said, I read the first few paragraphs of the NYT article and bailed on it after reading the same emphasis the Atlantic article presented - as in bullshyte! And as I said, I don't typically read the Hill given its usual overt right-wing slant - notwithstanding I bailed on the article because it was nothing more than an opinion piece... as much as you wanted to emphasize you put forward JOURNALISTS... the 2 authors of that Hill article are anything but journalists, you blathering Covidiot! 

Blah blah blah.  I didn't read anything past waldiot calling me a covidiot.  Feel free to waste your own time though.  If you don't like the articles i really don't care.  The WHO has been compromised by Chinese political influence.  Good times!

We need an organization like the UN by democratic nations for democratic nations.  No compromising from crap regimes like China, Russia, Iran, or the whole of Africa etc.  Join or die, the Americans used to say.
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« Reply #944 on: April 13, 2020, 04:38:26 pm »
on this board, loyal Trumpists don't get a free pass - please provide, as you say, a listing of "recent pandemics that have originated from China". Please make sure you note both the interpreted country of origin... and the first country of notice... for the most recent H1N1 prior pandemic before COVID-19

it appears that advising you of that 4-year gap between the creation of the new naming convention and the COVID-19 origination hasn't tempered any of your enthusiasm to carry water for Trump - to rally around one of the more prominent deflecting points (the WHO) that Trump is feverishly attempting to lay blame at for his absolute failures in responding to COVID-19. 
 

you speak of, a mid-January assertion from the WHO that there's no evidence of human-to-human transmission - citation request:

the mid-January notifications from the WHO... that I'm aware of:

you speak of, as you say, "the WHO disseminating Chinese propaganda"... but you provide no specifics, no details. This is so unlike you member Shady!  ;D

you throw down a labeling of Stage 4 TDS; however, in the face of the collective summaries of Trump incompetence/dithering to-date, with more coming forward on a regular basis, the waldo suggests you are at DEFCON2 in TrumpianForceReadiness!
You still haven’t addressed China’s muzzling of scientist.  Too busy carrying water huh?  China was dealing with covid all through December, but were suppose to believe that there was only limited evidence of transmission?  Come on man, you’re smarter than to believe such propaganda, especially when China completely shut down Wuhan shorty after the inexcusably wrong assessment from the WHO.  Stop making excuses for China’s grossly irresponsible behaviour.  You need to stop viewing everything through the prism of Trump.  Start holding China accountable for their actions instead of perpetuating their lies and propaganda just because orange man bad.  They clearly lied, and it’s led to tens of thousands of deaths worldwide.
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