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« Reply #900 on: April 11, 2020, 12:21:06 pm »
heck of a job Brownie!... now the leading COVID-19 death nation


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« Reply #901 on: April 11, 2020, 01:05:35 pm »
What does the World Cup have to do with Covid 19, other than there might not be one this year.
"Never trust a man without a single redeeming vice" WSC

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« Reply #902 on: April 11, 2020, 01:19:34 pm »
heck of a job Brownie!... now the leading COVID-19 death nation


Now do per capita.  Regardless, yes, the downplaying and recklessly irresponsible New York City and New York State government has really skewed the numbers compared to the rest of the country.  If their leadership hadn’t been telling people as recent as mid March to go about there lives, and that the virus wasn’t a treat, they may have been able to contain things better.  At least they’re bending the curve now.

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« Reply #903 on: April 11, 2020, 02:11:09 pm »
Now do per capita.  Regardless, yes, the downplaying and recklessly irresponsible New York City and New York State government has really skewed the numbers compared to the rest of the country.  If their leadership hadn’t been telling people as recent as mid March to go about there lives, and that the virus wasn’t a treat, they may have been able to contain things better.  At least they’re bending the curve now.

I've not read/seen (much of) the targeted NYCity/State criticism you're TrumpDeflectingUpon... some for the mayor... little to none for Governor Cuomo. Even your boy Trump says Cuomo is properly sucking up to him in order to get needed PPE, ventilators, etc..

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« Reply #904 on: April 11, 2020, 02:11:49 pm »
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« Reply #906 on: April 12, 2020, 08:49:35 am »
Trump says he doesn't remember if he was briefed regarding the report issued by Peter Navarro regarding the Corona outbreak. Well I mean it only discussed the possibility of a world wide outbreak of a deadly disease, but who can remember all these trivial things! Especially when there is campaigning to deal with.

report dated January 29th - addressed directly to Trump... top admin officials also received the report. So, of course, Trump has no recollection of it!

Trade Adviser Warned White House in January of Risks of a Pandemic

here's that same azz-kissing Navarro on Fox News today being asked about the report/memo - of course, he speaks of Dear Leader as being the greatest U.S. President of modern times! https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1248035263466610688/pu/vid/1280x720/LT6MRMFS9LX412mo.mp4

the NYT has just printed one of the most comprehensive accounting's of the failed Trump/admin response: from a separate summation 'takeaway' account of that comprehensive NYT article, it's clear Trump absolutely did see the Navarro memo, was briefed on it... and was quite upset with the fact Navarro actually put it in writing!


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« Reply #907 on: April 12, 2020, 09:49:23 am »
factualWaldo protip: 2015 - WHO established best practices for naming of new human infectious diseases

per the official WHO announcement - naming the coronavirus disease (COVID-19) and the virus that causes it


as the waldo pointed out, the WHO naming convention was established in 2015... giving the WHO 4 years of cover before SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19 originated! ;D

now I expect your allInAllOutrageSelf won't allow you to easily differentiate concern from outrage... cause the waldo did express concern about the want/propensity of Trump/admin, MAGAites, Trumpistas, et al, to attempt to deflect the idiocy/incompetency/failure of Trump towards China... and the waldo did express empathetic concern for the safety of Asian Americans!
I’m sure that China was highly appreciative of the “new” naming system, since several of the most recent pandemics have originated from them.  Probably just a coincidence.  Along with the WHO disseminating Chinese propaganda for the world to consume.  Including their mid January assertion that there’s no evidence of human to human transmission.  Which was an absolute lie.  These lies have directly led to tens of thousands of deaths world wide, as countries were caught unprepared.  Stop carrying water for the Chinese regime, and stop trying to place blame at the feet of Trump when it was China that began this global disaster.  95% of all of this could’ve been prevented if China had conducted itself properly from the beginning.  But orange man bad, so reality gets ignored once again.  You have stage 4 of Trump Derangement Syndrome.  Get some help fast!

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« Reply #908 on: April 12, 2020, 11:31:01 am »
China muzzled scientists that unlocked the genetic make up of the virus
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8210951/Beijing-authorities-hushed-findings-Chinese-scientist.html

More evidence that China lied and people died.

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« Reply #909 on: April 12, 2020, 11:48:13 am »
I’m sure that China was highly appreciative of the “new” naming system, since several of the most recent pandemics have originated from them.  Probably just a coincidence.

on this board, loyal Trumpists don't get a free pass - please provide, as you say, a listing of "recent pandemics that have originated from China". Please make sure you note both the interpreted country of origin... and the first country of notice... for the most recent H1N1 prior pandemic before COVID-19

it appears that advising you of that 4-year gap between the creation of the new naming convention and the COVID-19 origination hasn't tempered any of your enthusiasm to carry water for Trump - to rally around one of the more prominent deflecting points (the WHO) that Trump is feverishly attempting to lay blame at for his absolute failures in responding to COVID-19. 

Along with the WHO disseminating Chinese propaganda for the world to consume.  Including their mid January assertion that there’s no evidence of human to human transmission.  Which was an absolute lie.


you speak of, a mid-January assertion from the WHO that there's no evidence of human-to-human transmission - citation request:

the mid-January notifications from the WHO... that I'm aware of:

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14 January 2020 --- WHO's technical lead for the response noted in a press briefing there may have been limited human-to-human transmission of the coronavirus (in the 41 confirmed cases), mainly through family members, and that there was a risk of a possible wider outbreak. The lead also said that human-to-human transmission would not be surprising given our experience with SARS, MERS and other respiratory pathogens. 

22 January 2020 --- WHO mission to China issued a statement saying that there was evidence of human-to-human transmission in Wuhan but more investigation was needed to understand the full extent of transmission.

you speak of, as you say, "the WHO disseminating Chinese propaganda"... but you provide no specifics, no details. This is so unlike you member Shady!  ;D

you throw down a labeling of Stage 4 TDS; however, in the face of the collective summaries of Trump incompetence/dithering to-date, with more coming forward on a regular basis, the waldo suggests you are at DEFCON2 in TrumpianForceReadiness!
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« Reply #910 on: April 12, 2020, 04:52:22 pm »
geezaz, Trumpists are out again comparing death numbers for COVID-19 to the seasonal flu... claiming Trump is doing a great job handling COVID-19 in comparison! Somehow, the benchmark reference being used for seasonal flu is 61,000 deaths in the U.S..

go figure:
- no mention is made of an available vaccine for seasonal flu... versus the stay-at-home, social distancing extreme measures being taken for COVID-19
- no mention that the official recognized seasonal flu season runs 6 months - from October to March (with peaks over 3 months of that period)
- somehow an estimate of 61,000 was chosen (as represented by the actual 2017-2018 estimate)... not the 38,000 for 2016-2017, or the 23,000 for 2015-2016... or even the most recent 34,000 for 2018-2019

actual COVID-19 counts:

- 4 weeks ago: 58 deaths
- 3 weeks ago: 323 deaths
- 2 weeks ago: 2,043 deaths
- 1 week ago: 8,488 deaths

right now: Last updated: April 12, 2020, 21:22 GMT => COVID-19 cases 557,235 / deaths 21,956

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That's yet another scary part of all this. Not only did Trump **** up in his initial response to earlier warnings, he may now jump the gun, open the doors and there will be that group of nit wits who trust him who will be back on the beaches, streets, etc. and then so much for the flattening arc.

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« Reply #913 on: April 12, 2020, 05:02:16 pm »
from today's Jake Tapper SOTU on CNN: Trump attacking... rebuffing media asking inconvenient questions:
https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1249349118822158341/vid/1280x720/xdMi1KyaUT6iFer0.mp4

Mr. President, what is the plan - do you have a plan?  ;D

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« Reply #914 on: April 12, 2020, 05:04:42 pm »
That's yet another scary part of all this. Not only did Trump **** up in his initial response to earlier warnings, he may now jump the gun, open the doors and there will be that group of nit wits who trust him who will be back on the beaches, streets, etc. and then so much for the flattening arc.

typical Trump bloviating! State Governors will be the determiners... but yes, granted, a Trump pronouncement will sway "some number" of Republican State Governors