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Offline waldo

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« Reply #855 on: April 10, 2020, 12:26:43 pm »
How about Ebola or West Nile?

China, right?  ;D

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« Reply #856 on: April 10, 2020, 01:10:22 pm »
MASH and the Coronavirus
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« Reply #857 on: April 10, 2020, 01:20:45 pm »
per official U.S. CDC count: 12,469 deaths (range: 8868-18,306) in the United States due to the (H1N1)pdm09 virus... not the inflated 17,000 number Trump uses in his March 15 tweet:




given Trump calls the H1N1 response a catastrophe... what does that say about his/admin COVID-19 response... you know, the one where he actually stated, "I don't take responsibility at all"!


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« Reply #858 on: April 10, 2020, 02:02:49 pm »
Dr. Jerome Adams, the US surgeon general who is Black, stood up and mocked Black people with his language during a WHITE house press briefing. Is he now just another trump ass kisser? What a pathetic **** show all this has become, and people are dying in the wake. Not such a Good Friday this year.

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« Reply #859 on: April 10, 2020, 02:34:49 pm »
No, I’ve never said as much as we can.  But I’m absolutely for selling them oil, with strings attached.  Because it makes us stronger.  Especially if they’re dependent on us.
You certainly did say as much as we can over at MLW and just a few weeks ago but I'll take your new caveats as a sign that the reasons for not wheeling and dealing with dictators like they were our BFF's are finally sinking in.

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« Reply #860 on: April 10, 2020, 02:36:16 pm »
In terms of raw numbers, they {the U.S.} have tested more people.  They also have tests that provide results in 15 minutes.

wait a minute... what about Trump's boastful pledge that, 'everyone who wants a test, gets a test'? And the complete lack of early testing when most needed - you know, when Trump was ignoring/downplaying the virus for those LOST 2 months!

wait a second minute: what happened to Jared's must touted drive-through enterprise - that as of just days ago, has resulted in a grand total of 5 drive through locations across the entire U.S.. Sure, sure, manBoyKushner needed something to do given his monumental failures in his roles attempting to solve the opioid crisis and the Israel-Palestine conflict... and Trump only hires the best!  ;D

wait a third minute: what about all the uproar over Trump pulling federal funding for state-level testing sites? To the point that the intense backlash to the funding pull-back only resulted in a rescind of that intent... last night! 

wait a... another minute: what about the lack of U.S. federal oversight in providing testing standards (including metrics)... to the point the U.S. CDC was forced to stop a national tracking of testing given the wide disparity in how testing is being done at the state level?

Trump, Kushner, and Navarro - the Dunning-Kruger trifecta!

member Shady - with your emphasis on U.S. testing raw numbers... now do per capita - yes?

from the April 9th COVID-19 T-force briefing, U.S. VP states 2 million tests have been performed. The waldo's crack research team advises that this amounts to ~0.6% of the U.S. population... geezaz, member Shady - less than 1% of the entire U.S. population has been tested for the COVID-19 disease! Which isn't stopping Trump from touting a May 1st Grand Opening of the U.S.! Granted he did talk earlier of an Easter Grand Opening... so... there's that!  ;D
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« Reply #861 on: April 10, 2020, 02:48:31 pm »
"Government documents reveal a slow start to Canada's COVID-19 response"

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/covid-19-government-documents-1.5528726

As if anyone needed documents to know this, but it does confirm it.  The feds only got their arse in gear in mid-March.  They ignored international health warnings.  I've been mostly pleased by their response since then.
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« Reply #862 on: April 10, 2020, 02:50:23 pm »
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/covid-19-government-documents-1.5528726


https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/coronavirus-pandemic-covid-canadian-military-intelligence-wuhan-1.5528381

No surprise but most western countries were slow out of the gate on this.
Just goes to show, a good virus loves a PC society.
Not as much as COVID-19 loves sneaky governments and politicians who are more concerned about how they're perceived.

That said is there any point to measuring or accounting for how or if the effort that's put into perceiving them affected the spread of this virus? When people say that politicization is helping to drive the spread of COVID-19 are they just talking about politicians or human beings in general?

I think there's enough blame sloshing back and forth over this that we all deserve to get some on us. Some more than others I guess.
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« Reply #863 on: April 10, 2020, 03:05:25 pm »
"Government documents reveal a slow start to Canada's COVID-19 response"

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/covid-19-government-documents-1.5528726

As if anyone needed documents to know this, but it does confirm it.  The feds only got their arse in gear in mid-March.  They ignored international health warnings.  I've been mostly pleased by their response since then.

  It wasn't that long ago that you were saying the reaction was overblown.  Actually, it was right in the midst of it getting very bad.  And now you're complaining that the government didn't take action quick enough.  If the government took action a month earlier, your conspiracy-theory brain would have exploded!  :o

That said, I agree with the gist of the article.  Officials and government were afraid of what taking action would mean.  It would have been a huge disruption to our daily lives before things got really bad...  I'm not sure the general public (who are idiots) and businesses (who are greedy) would have accepted that before there was a full blown crisis. 

What we need in the future, and what I hope will come out of this, is a government who will listen to science and experts more, and the bureaucracy less when it comes to something like a pandemic*.  Where scientists are the ones who are doing the recommending and not some bureaucrats who worry about public reaction more than they do about public health;  people who understand what it really takes to deal with a pandemic*, and worry less (or not at all) about the political consequences.



(*Substitute climate change for pandemic in my post as to what we'll need in the future as well.  The same thing is happening, just at a much slower pace than a viral pandemic)
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« Reply #864 on: April 10, 2020, 03:05:37 pm »
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« Reply #865 on: April 10, 2020, 03:11:40 pm »
"Government documents reveal a slow start to Canada's COVID-19 response"

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/covid-19-government-documents-1.5528726

As if anyone needed documents to know this, but it does confirm it.  The feds only got their arse in gear in mid-March.  They ignored international health warnings.  I've been mostly pleased by their response since then.
Me too, I'm more impressed with how my provincial health system was responding and even more impressed with my regional and local health authorities. Virtually every resort and tourist company hereabouts shut down immediately following a local radio broadcast and appeal from our hospital's head doctor and local mayors.

I think people were already physically distancing themselves and taking precautions in BC before mid March simply because Ottawa is 3000 miles away.  I think the stories emerging around the likelihood that military intelligence knew about this months before civilian authorities did should be front and center of public consciousness.

To bad Julian Assange and Edward Snowden weren't around when we really needed them.

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« Reply #866 on: April 10, 2020, 03:19:17 pm »
Me too, I'm more impressed with how my provincial health system was responding and even more impressed with my regional and local health authorities. Virtually every resort and tourist company hereabouts shut down immediately following a local radio broadcast and appeal from our hospital's head doctor and local mayors.

I think people were already physically distancing themselves and taking precautions in BC before mid March simply because Ottawa is 3000 miles away.  I think the stories emerging around the likelihood that military intelligence knew about this months before civilian authorities did should be front and center of public consciousness.

To bad Julian Assange and Edward Snowden weren't around when we really needed them.

BC Ferries had sailing waits yesterday and today as people flocked to the islands (including mine) and the Sunshine Coast for a nice long weekend out of the Lower Mainland.  Watch for a spike in 2 weeks in many communities.  People are going to die because some entitled dickheads want to go on a vacation.

https://www.citynews1130.com/2020/04/09/people-are-being-asked-not-to-do-this-sunshine-coast-resident-dismayed-by-ferry-traffic/

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“People are absolutely incensed that people are not following the guidelines that have been clearly laid out for days if not weeks, telling people not to come. People are nervous about the influx of people,” she explains.

“The bottom line is people are being asked not to do this. The longer people don’t obey the provincial rules, the longer we’re going to be in lockdown, and the more people are going to get sick and die.”

According to the BC Ferries website, every scheduled sailing between Horseshoe Bay and the Sunshine Coast was full Thursday, with two Friday sailings already sold out.
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« Reply #867 on: April 10, 2020, 03:29:41 pm »
BC Ferries had sailing waits yesterday and today as people flocked to the islands (including mine) and the Sunshine Coast for a nice long weekend out of the Lower Mainland.  Watch for a spike in 2 weeks in many communities.  People are going to die because some entitled dickheads want to go on a vacation.

https://www.citynews1130.com/2020/04/09/people-are-being-asked-not-to-do-this-sunshine-coast-resident-dismayed-by-ferry-traffic/

Interesting. I took the ferry Tsawassen-Swartz Bay to get home last Monday. You could have fire a cannon on the passengert decks and not likely hit anyone. Most of the cars had people in them and the folks on deck were practicing physical distancing. Why would people let their guard down over some dumb religious bullshit holiday I wonder?

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« Reply #868 on: April 10, 2020, 04:09:18 pm »
 We've been assured police and parks wardens hereabouts will be pulling people over, giving them the lecture and telling them to go back to the other side of the island.

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« Reply #869 on: April 10, 2020, 04:20:56 pm »
We've been assured police and parks wardens hereabouts will be pulling people over, giving them the lecture and telling them to go back to the other side of the island.

I'm wondering/waiting to see if the Vancouver Police hand out one of those 1K fines they now have on the books for failing to distance.