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« Reply #765 on: April 06, 2020, 11:13:58 pm »
I think the best thing we all have going for us is that we're all in the same boat at the same time.  I'm pretty sure it would be worse for me if I was on my own. No pun intended.

It's funny, in the beginning I felt panicky about that but now I am actually pretty grateful for my space. 

I find living with others challenging in the best of times, yet alone 24/7.  Apparently divorce rates went up in China after their lockdown.  I can imagine why.

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« Reply #766 on: April 06, 2020, 11:18:43 pm »
Trump continues to turn the whole process of daily briefings on the issue into a complete shipwreck of a blatant reelection campaign. I feel sad for the experts i.e. Fauci and Birx who are forced to stand up behind him while he does all that. I noticed today he hijacked a form of a graph that Birx had recently presented on slides to try and show how "wonderfully well" his team had handled things since early on. In fact the graph actually showed how utterly slow/inefficient the testing has been under his guidance. I could certainly see quite clearly in Birx' eyes today she was utterly embarrassed to be there. What he is doing is nothing short of criminal IMO.

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« Reply #767 on: April 06, 2020, 11:28:24 pm »
The economic after-effects of this are going to persist for years, long after the medical emergency is over.

Economically, this is going to be the worse thing we have seen in our lifetimes. Whole industries are shut down and will continue to be shut down for some time. The ripple effect of that will be felt by the rest of the economy.  There will be immense uncertainty, immense loss of consumer confidence, a huge decline in spending, and rampant unemployment.  Communities like Whistler and Jasper and Banff that rely heavily on tourism are going to be especially crushed by this, because the tourism industry as a whole is going to be completely **** for years to come. (I'm grateful that I got to see Las Vegas in January, because it's not going to be the same for a long time, if ever.)

Our government, god bless them, has taken aggressive action to try to dampen that ripple effect, but government can only do so much. They they can't support the whole economy indefinitely. We can hope that the strong government economic action will keep this from spiraling out of control, but the effects are still going to be really, really bad in spite of their best efforts.

We're going to see huge numbers of bankruptcies and loan defaults and mortgage defaults. People who were strong credit risks when they received their mortgages or loans are going to be financially ruined. The banks themselves will be financially imperiled as a result.  This is going to be like a replay of the 2008 financial crisis, but on a much larger scale.

And what's especially worrying is that even if we as a country do everything right, our bungling neighbors to the south are going to be hit very hard by this, and since our economy is so interconnected with theirs, their economic woes are going to haunt us as well.

So many people are going to be ruined by this.  It's going to be heartbreaking.

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It'll be bad alright and a lot worse if banks just throw everyone out in the street. If there's no one to buy the places people are thrown out of do the banks just let these places rot and fall to ruin? That said I'd be inclined to rip up the septic system, salt the well and burn the place to the ground if they figure on passing their loss to Ottawa then selling everything to Jimmy Pattison or someone for a $1 an acre.

Have a little faith, if there's anything we're experts at it's kicking big economic cans down the road. It's not like the Bogladite battle fleet is closing in on Earth saying pay up or else.

In any case if it really is the Zombie Apocalypse BC is probably in one of the best places from which to recover from it.
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« Reply #768 on: April 07, 2020, 12:08:17 am »
It's funny, in the beginning I felt panicky about that but now I am actually pretty grateful for my space. 

I was thinking more about feeling panicky over economic loneliness. When people go bankrupt or fail at a rate that's more like people dying at a natural rate we hardly notice and carry on but in this case I guess I'm grateful its just not me. Even the most hard-boiled coupon-clipping skinflint is going to be challenged in times like these.

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I find living with others challenging in the best of times, yet alone 24/7.  Apparently divorce rates went up in China after their lockdown.  I can imagine why.
Interestingly enough my wife and I live separately on the same property. She's in the big house and I'm out back above the shop. A few friends thought it was a little unconventional and while we're trying to work things out we're in no particular hurry, especially these days.

Apparently I'm the better cook so sometimes I feel like the maid in that Neil Young song..."Someone to cook the dinner, do the dishes and go away"...or something like that.

We should probably do a Youtube video.

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« Reply #769 on: April 07, 2020, 12:24:27 am »
I was thinking more about feeling panicky over economic loneliness. When people go bankrupt or fail at a rate that's more like people dying at a natural rate we hardly notice and carry on but in this case I guess I'm grateful its just not me. Even the most hard-boiled coupon-clipping skinflint is going to be challenged in times like these.


Interestingly enough my wife and I live separately on the same property. She's in the big house and I'm out back above the shop. A few friends thought it was a little unconventional and while we're trying to work things out we're in no particular hurry, especially these days.

Apparently I'm the better cook so sometimes I feel like the maid in that Neil Young song..."Someone to cook the dinner, do the dishes and go away"...or something like that.

We should probably do a Youtube video.

Your living arrangement sounds fantastic.  <3

Fortunately I'm still employed, and reasonably safe in my job.  Even if I weren't I have the capacity to survive 18 months without a job.

My biggest worry in all this is my parents.  I would be devastated if I lost them.

Second biggest worry is leaving my children motherless.

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« Reply #770 on: April 07, 2020, 01:10:27 am »
Firstly we can thank China's prolific animal trafficking trade and the idiocy of "traditional Chinese medicine" for the fact that this virus ever came into contact with humans.

so very definitive; hence the waldo's citation request... surely... member kimmy won't vacillate on her certainty - factual certainty, no less! Let's see now:

One doesn't need to google very hard to find scientific articles regarding the link between China's rampant animal trafficking trade and the spread of this virus to humans.  Here's a recent one:
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-52048195

Many medical experts are now pointing their fingers at China's animal trafficking and live markets as an ongoing threat to human health.

Yes, this outbreak evolved in wild animals, animals trafficked in huge numbers and smuggled in confined spaces, to maximize the chance of sharing virus among each other, then brought into contact with large numbers of humans at these live animal markets.  If you wanted to create conditions to make it likely for viruses to transfer from host animals to humans, how could you do better?

from your own linked article: "Prof Andrew Cunningham of Zoological Society of London (ZSL) said it was important not to jump to conclusions from the paper. "The source of the detected coronavirus really is unknown - it might have been a natural pangolin virus or have jumped from another species between capture and death.""

at this point your linked article's paper reference is one that has not yet been published - to allow it to enter into the peer-response cycle; a pre-release unedited manuscript has been offered by the Journal Nature. That being said, the paper/lead author state: "This outbreak has been tentatively associated with a seafood market in Wuhan, China, where the sale of wild animals may be the source of zoonotic infection2. Although bats are likely reservoir hosts for SARS-CoV-2, the identity of any intermediate host that might have facilitated transfer to humans is unknown."

member kimmy, so... definitive to support your, uhhh... factual certainty!  ;D

and most certainly, there is no scientific based consensus that the virus originated at a Wuhan so-called 'wet market'; in particular, study analysis shows that some of the first known patients had no direct exposure to the/a wet market. Most pointedly, study analysis shows that about a third of the first 41 confirmed infected patients had no direct exposure to the/a wet market... among them the first known patients where, in addition, "no epidemiological link was found between the first patient and later cases":

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« Reply #771 on: April 07, 2020, 01:25:53 am »
such a moron! Thank the networks for continuing to cover this daily clown show; here Trump has dispatched America's shining pharmaceutical companies to save Boris Johnson!
https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1247285814570160129/pu/vid/1280x720/PugJvONuy0RXsI-n.mp4

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« Reply #772 on: April 07, 2020, 01:35:54 am »
(also from today's T-Force briefing) Trump dismisses a most critical report from the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services' Office of Inspector General - a report which details challenges facing hospitals in responding to the COVID-19 pandemic, including shortages of supplies and equipment, as well as prolonged wait times to get testing results... the report was independently launched by the HHS OIG and based on interviews conducted between March 23 and 27 with administrators at more than 300 hospitals across 46 states, Puerto Rico and Washington, DC
https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1247291064307912704/pu/vid/1280x720/AXoNHB0FQKNzeC8h.mp4

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« Reply #773 on: April 07, 2020, 04:15:32 am »
Meanwhile in Alberta ... Cabinet Ministers can now write new laws without consulting anyone:

https://www.jccf.ca/alberta-government-gives-itself-sweeping-new-powers-to-create-new-laws-without-legislative-assembly-approval/

Alberta government gives itself sweeping new powers to create new laws without Legislative Assembly approval

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« Reply #776 on: April 07, 2020, 12:42:31 pm »
Seems to be happening. Hope so.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/bc-ontario-quebec-covid-19-1.5524056
Thanks everyone, I'm counting on you and you all deserve a pat on the back...just reach around and do that yourselves though.

The different approach's taken towards Spring Break stand out.  I attribute a lot of our local success to our small hospital and chief doctor's appeals to shut down right on the cusp of Spring Break. We have an older 10 bed hospital, 1 ventilator and on an average day our emergency room's caseload is 50% tourists. It reinforced to the point of supplanting the message coming or not coming from more distant appeals. We shut everything down and went on the Mother-of-All Spring Breaks ourselves instead.  It'll hurt but nowhere near as much as it could have.

I think a little of the good luck cited by the story you posted should be attributed to us.  It seems to me the more attention a population gives to local health authorities as opposed to putting more or all your stock in distant provincial or national authorities for advise the better the outcome.
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« Reply #777 on: April 07, 2020, 08:41:49 pm »
Wonder how JBG is doing, he is from New York. Hope he checks in some time.
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« Reply #778 on: April 08, 2020, 01:24:52 am »
Meanwhile in Alberta ... Cabinet Ministers can now write new laws without consulting anyone:

https://www.jccf.ca/alberta-government-gives-itself-sweeping-new-powers-to-create-new-laws-without-legislative-assembly-approval/

Alberta government gives itself sweeping new powers to create new laws without Legislative Assembly approval

how did ole Spectre miss this assault on democracy? Oh wait... by a Conservative government... nothing to see here hey Spec - carry on!  ;D

What games?  Defending our democracy from a government that wants sweeping new powers to bypass Parliament? 

Turn this around and pretend Harper was doing this.  What would be your reaction.  You wouldn't call it "games".  Your thinking has become very dangerous.
Imagine if Trump was asking for emergency powers to bypass Congress.  You'd be freaking out.  As you should.  Hypocrites, the lot of you.

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« Reply #779 on: April 08, 2020, 01:27:36 am »
how did ole Spectre miss this assault on democracy? Oh wait... by a Conservative government... nothing to see here hey Spec - carry on!  ;D

CovidiotGraham is also a free market capitalist....  until things get bad.  Then he’s a socialist.
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