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« Reply #720 on: April 04, 2020, 12:37:23 pm »

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« Reply #721 on: April 04, 2020, 01:45:13 pm »
April 3rd - yesterday! About Fn' time someone raised a warning about those... "experts"!



(looks like the Fox posse got the word to again emphasize the... Chinese labeling!)

waldo interpretive pro-tip: Fox News quoted "experts" clearly doesn't include real experts like manBoy... Jared Kushner!

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« Reply #722 on: April 04, 2020, 02:06:20 pm »
yup - online learning will make bigly inroads... the size of an endowment fund might make the difference in saving some 'brick & mortar' schools

Coronavirus Pushes Higher Education to the Brink --- Long-simmering troubles at America’s colleges and universities are about to boil over, consuming debt-ridden schools and redefining the campus experience.

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« Reply #723 on: April 04, 2020, 06:28:09 pm »
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi announced that a bipartisan House committee will:
- investigate the federal response to the COVID-19 pandemic
- and ensure that congressional funding is spent wisely

in response, Trump pulls out the ole Witch Hunt chestnut! 

Quote from: azzhole Trump
It’s a witch hunt after witch hunt after witch hunt. And in the end, the people doing the witch hunt have been losing

meanwhile... the Republican-led Senate committee pressing forward with its investigation into former vice president Joe Biden’s son, Hunter... continues unabated with the full support and enthusiasm of Trump behind it - go figure!

of course, Trump acolytes and lapdogs are out in force against the committee to investigate the response to/funding of COVID-19:
https://i.imgur.com/JWGluHm.mp4

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« Reply #724 on: April 04, 2020, 07:43:27 pm »
(looks like the Fox posse got the word to again emphasize the... Chinese labeling!)

While I am fully aware that the Republitards are doing this for narrative purposes (to make it something that "they" did to "us", to shift attention away from their own shoddy response) I don't think we should be in any rush to forget China's role in creating this disaster. 

Firstly we can thank China's prolific animal trafficking trade and the idiocy of "traditional Chinese medicine" for the fact that this virus ever came into contact with humans.

And secondly let's remember that China's early response to the outbreak was to jail people for saying that there was an outbreak. As much as we mock the Trump administration's handling of this, let's keep in mind that China's was 1000 times worse. They have a lot to answer for.

I think China should be paying reparations when this is over, especially to Italy and the other hardest-hit countries.

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« Reply #725 on: April 04, 2020, 07:56:14 pm »
I'm getting the feeling we're going to be on lockdown for a very long time and they're trying to break us gently with these warnings of being prepared for a few months and 'the next two weeks' are the big tests. 

I started off trying to keep my spirits up, but I think I'm starting to crack and it's only week 3 (or 4?).  I don't know how I can go on like this for 4-6 more months.

Mental health issues aside, what kind of a world are we going to step back into if this goes on for a year or so?  How are governments going to survive the economic impact and what are we going to do with 25% unemployment rate?

What if life as we know it is totally over?

People aren't going to tolerate this indefinitely. A few weeks? Sure. A couple of months, maybe. Indefinitely? Nope. Forever? Nope.  People will not stand for living like we're in a 1970's era Soviet bloc nation for the rest of their lives.

The vast majority of people who get this virus will be moderately inconvenienced (and I say this as one of the few who might be at greater risk, due to asthma and a congenital lung issue.)

It's unreasonable to ask the vast majority of the population, especially the young, to put their lives on hold for an extended period for the sake of the relative few who face serious danger from this virus.  It's not realistic to ask people to lose a year school over this, or lose a year of income, or keep businesses shuttered until 2021.

Eventually there will be a vaccine. Eventually herd immunity will keep "the curve" from rising above the healthcare system's capacity.  But if that doesn't happen within a reasonable timeline, people will stop tweeting #PlankTheCurve and start tweeting something like #RipTheBandaidOffQuick.

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« Reply #726 on: April 04, 2020, 09:37:31 pm »
I'm a homebody often and even I'm getting stir-crazy being at home.  I go for walks, I go for drives, but I'm getting bored. Only so much TV and internet I can consume.  I have to just start creating projects.  Thankfully the weather is only going to get warmer.

I feel for people stuck inside condos, apartments, and other small spaces.  I've lived in those spaces and it gets really tough when you don't go out or interact with people.  I can't see people continuing to isolate for months.  It will become a mental health issue.
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« Reply #727 on: April 05, 2020, 12:29:19 am »
People aren't going to tolerate this indefinitely. A few weeks? Sure. A couple of months, maybe. Indefinitely? Nope. Forever? Nope.  People will not stand for living like we're in a 1970's era Soviet bloc nation for the rest of their lives.

The vast majority of people who get this virus will be moderately inconvenienced (and I say this as one of the few who might be at greater risk, due to asthma and a congenital lung issue.)

It's unreasonable to ask the vast majority of the population, especially the young, to put their lives on hold for an extended period for the sake of the relative few who face serious danger from this virus.  It's not realistic to ask people to lose a year school over this, or lose a year of income, or keep businesses shuttered until 2021.

Eventually there will be a vaccine. Eventually herd immunity will keep "the curve" from rising above the healthcare system's capacity.  But if that doesn't happen within a reasonable timeline, people will stop tweeting #PlankTheCurve and start tweeting something like #RipTheBandaidOffQuick.

 -k

No, I know the lockdown won't be forever.  The life as we know it I was talking about was society. 

What if it takes many years (if not a decade or so) to recover economically? 

What if mutations make a vaccine impossible and it becomes an endemic? 

What if we never really go back to the days when of flying without a mask or going to a busy outdoor concert?

I was really down the day I wrote that post.  I don't always feel like that, but on my bad days I worry the effects will be much worse than we're willing to consider right now.


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« Reply #728 on: April 05, 2020, 12:39:25 am »
I'm a homebody often and even I'm getting stir-crazy being at home.  I go for walks, I go for drives, but I'm getting bored. Only so much TV and internet I can consume.  I have to just start creating projects.  Thankfully the weather is only going to get warmer.

I feel for people stuck inside condos, apartments, and other small spaces.  I've lived in those spaces and it gets really tough when you don't go out or interact with people.  I can't see people continuing to isolate for months.  It will become a mental health issue.

I have lived most of my adult life in apartments and I am thanking my lucky stars that in the midst of all this at least I have a nice backyard.  There are a lot of nice trails around me too which makes it easy to get out and stay socially isolated.  I agree totally. 



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« Reply #729 on: April 05, 2020, 12:50:54 am »
I'm with kimmy and especially on the subject of reparations from China.  The alien in my chest is stirring and pressure is rising but the prognosis for a longer decent life post surgery is good so grinding it out until a vaccine is available sounds okay to me.  How about those of us who are more vulnerable be allowed to wait it out in isolation with support charged to China's reparations? I grok the need to get on with the game but I shouldn't be forced to take a bigger risk for the team just because the team is impatient to get back into it. If they decide they can live with the risk that's their business but they don't get to decide it's my business too.
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« Reply #730 on: April 05, 2020, 02:10:03 am »
Firstly we can thank China's prolific animal trafficking trade and the idiocy of "traditional Chinese medicine" for the fact that this virus ever came into contact with humans.

citation request

And secondly let's remember that China's early response to the outbreak was to jail people for saying that there was an outbreak. As much as we mock the Trump administration's handling of this, let's keep in mind that China's was 1000 times worse. They have a lot to answer for.

I think China should be paying reparations when this is over, especially to Italy and the other hardest-hit countries.

no - on December 31 of last year, China alerted the World Health Organization of an outbreak of a novel strain of coronavirus (initially called SARS-CoV-2) - one causing sever illness. As I understand, it took China from 'mid-December' to that Dec 31 alert point to ascertain just what they were dealing with... as I read, shortly after the WHO was alerted, Chinese scientists sequenced the genome of SARS-CoV-2 and made the data available to researchers worldwide. I understand the believed first occurrence in a human has been traced back to Dec 8th... with the number of confirmed cases on Dec 31 pegged at 266. But yes, how China handled public dissemination of the early circumstances and responses (or lack thereof), within China, can be (and has been) scrutinized; however, member kimmy, let's read your account of how China, the nation, should be held accountable for information provided(or not) to other countries and the responses those countries took (or didn't take) - notwithstanding the respective preparedness of countries to any pandemic event.

now, as to the exact origin of the virus, as I understand that has not been determined and most likely never will be. What has been determined through analysis of the public genome sequence data is that the evolution of the virus has been determined to have originated through natural processes - natural evolution; i.e., "not made in a laboratory or otherwise engineered". To this point, related studies have pointed to the origination as either:

=> the virus evolved to its current pathogenic state through natural selection in a non-human host and then jumped to humans. Given similarity to bat coronavirus, research has proposed bats as the most likely reservoir for COVID-19; however, as there are no documented cases of direct bat-human transmission, an intermediate host is believed to be involved between bats and humans.

OR

=> a non-pathogenic version of the virus jumped from an animal host into humans and then evolved to its current pathogenic state within the human population. In this circumstance, a coronavirus in armadillo-like mammals found in Asia and Africa has a similarity to the COVID-19 virus... in this case either directly from "an anteater type mammal directly to a human, or through intermediaries like civets or ferrets to a human.

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« Reply #731 on: April 05, 2020, 02:25:55 am »
The vast majority of people who get this virus will be moderately inconvenienced (and I say this as one of the few who might be at greater risk, due to asthma and a congenital lung issue.)

It's unreasonable to ask the vast majority of the population, especially the young, to put their lives on hold for an extended period for the sake of the relative few who face serious danger from this virus.  It's not realistic to ask people to lose a year school over this, or lose a year of income, or keep businesses shuttered until 2021.

geezaz! Educate yourself member kimmy!!! Many people have the virus and show no symptoms... at least initially, and even then some experience just mild reactions. But they're still carriers of the virus, and particularly so during the initial days of contacting it (see virus "shedding"). It's these asymptomatic "silent carriers" that may be... may be... driving the pandemic.

waldo protip: if you're out walking and you're approached by ignorant joggers, don't rely on the so-called 2 meter buffer. The breath of these mega-exhaling azzholes (particularly in groups of runners) has a significantly greater reach than 2 meters. (Assuming you're not wearing a mask) turn your back to them... hold your breath to allow "droplets" to sink to the ground. Even then - about the efficacy of face masks:
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« Reply #732 on: April 05, 2020, 09:26:28 am »
Ripping the band aid off sounds catchy but if you do it too soon you just bleed more. So what happens when our medical system is completely overwhelmed after the bandaid is ripped off and half of our health care workers are infected. Doctors are dying from this too.
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« Reply #733 on: April 05, 2020, 12:04:25 pm »
But yes, how China handled public dissemination of the early circumstances and responses (or lack thereof), within China, can be (and has been) scrutinized; however, member kimmy, let's read your account of how China, the nation, should be held accountable for information provided(or not) to other countries and the responses those countries took (or didn't take) - notwithstanding the respective preparedness of countries to any pandemic event.
This failure of accountability within China's government should be regarded as a crime against all humanity not just against Chinese citizens.

What's most lacking in humanity's preparedness towards anything that threatens us globally is the ability to get our governments under control. An even sneakier aspect of COVID-19's sneakiness is its ability to exploit our greatest weakness, sneaky governments run by sneaky exploitive politicians.
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« Reply #734 on: April 05, 2020, 12:08:55 pm »
geezaz! Educate yourself member kimmy!!! Many people have the virus and show no symptoms... at least initially, and even then some experience just mild reactions. But they're still carriers of the virus, and particularly so during the initial days of contacting it (see virus "shedding"). It's these asymptomatic "silent carriers" that may be... may be... driving the pandemic.

waldo protip: if you're out walking and you're approached by ignorant joggers, don't rely on the so-called 2 meter buffer. The breath of these mega-exhaling azzholes (particularly in groups of runners) has a significantly greater reach than 2 meters. (Assuming you're not wearing a mask) turn your back to them... hold your breath to allow "droplets" to sink to the ground. Even then - about the efficacy of face masks:

Ignorant joggers are much less dangerous than idiots who insist on having house parties.
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