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Offline waldo

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Offline Michael Hardner

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« Reply #691 on: April 03, 2020, 10:52:41 am »
Wow.  That's epic incompetence.

I am actually stunned at the incompetence.  This is an existential threat and this person didn't know.  Politics is broken for sure.

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« Reply #692 on: April 03, 2020, 11:18:59 am »
I am actually stunned at the incompetence.  This is an existential threat and this person didn't know.  Politics is broken for sure.

Politics isn't broken, he's just willfully ignorant.  He could have learned that by talking and listening to any health professional that advises him.
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« Reply #693 on: April 03, 2020, 11:33:03 am »
3M faces pressure from Trump order to stop exporting N95 masks to Canada --- Company warns that stopping mask export could prompt retaliatory measures that would hurt U.S.


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« Reply #695 on: April 03, 2020, 11:59:05 am »
As much as I give JT credit for sounding like a leader at the beginning of this thing, his daily briefings have become an hour long nothing burger. Lots of "we are looking at" and "we are discussing" etc but no specifics on anything other than how much more they are going to spend each day. Other than deploying the military to northern Quebec at Quebec's request, his big thing today was an agreement with Amazon to distribute medical supplies. What medical supples, how much and where they are coming from is never mentioned.  I think I will pass on watching them in future and just wait for the news.
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« Reply #696 on: April 03, 2020, 02:14:45 pm »


One of the best movies ever. Good advice but not easy at times.
It will all come down to how each of us handle this as individuals.
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« Reply #697 on: April 03, 2020, 02:28:43 pm »
I knew I had some respirator masks in my shop somewhere that I had bought for spray painting a few years ago. I found two that were unused and shocked to see that they are N95's. I bought them at some home improvement store or Canadian Tire, can't remember which. Now I don't know if I want to wear them in public for fear of people getting on my case. They are also quite uncomfortable.
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« Reply #698 on: April 03, 2020, 04:24:00 pm »
What should Canada’s response be to the USA not allowing 3M to export PPEs? 

This will cost Canadian lives.

Personally, I think it will be a medium-long term distancing.  If we can retaliate immediately by withholding medical devices/aid, etc then we should.  If this gets a lot worse in the USA and peters out in Canada (assuming we took earlier precautions, which I think we did), we should not send medical equipment OR personnel there to help.

The medical professionals who commute across the border (Windsor-Detroit) should not be allowed to cross the border to go to their jobs. 

Longer term, Canada needs to work on distancing from the USofA....  pull out of NORAD, for instance. 

Next time America has a 9/11 type incident, we need to remember how we were treated by our supposed ally during this pandemic.

Thoughts?
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« Reply #699 on: April 03, 2020, 04:45:26 pm »
What should Canada’s response be to the USA not allowing 3M to export PPEs? 

This will cost Canadian lives.

Personally, I think it will be a medium-long term distancing.  If we can retaliate immediately by withholding medical devices/aid, etc then we should.  If this gets a lot worse in the USA and peters out in Canada (assuming we took earlier precautions, which I think we did), we should not send medical equipment OR personnel there to help.

The medical professionals who commute across the border (Windsor-Detroit) should not be allowed to cross the border to go to their jobs. 

Longer term, Canada needs to work on distancing from the USofA....  pull out of NORAD, for instance. 

Next time America has a 9/11 type incident, we need to remember how we were treated by our supposed ally during this pandemic.

Thoughts?

I think Trudeau is right to attempt diplomacy first, I don‘t think knee jerk retaliation would be positive at this point. However, it Trump is persistent we should retaliate in a fashion that will hurt them. We also need to re evaluate our relationship with the US.

On the other hand, is our manufacturing ability deteriorated to a point where we can’t spool up to make something as simple as disposable masks? It just points out the Achilles heel of countries which rely on a resource and service economy. When the time comes they have to stand on their own, they are no longer able.
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« Reply #700 on: April 03, 2020, 04:58:07 pm »
I think Trudeau is right to attempt diplomacy first, I don‘t think knee jerk retaliation would be positive at this point. However, it Trump is persistent we should retaliate in a fashion that will hurt them. We also need to re evaluate our relationship with the US.

Of course diplomacy should come first.  As I said, this would be in response to the USA actually denying the masks to Canada. 

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On the other hand, is our manufacturing ability deteriorated to a point where we can’t spool up to make something as simple as disposable masks? It just points out the Achilles heel of countries which rely on a resource and service economy. When the time comes they have to stand on their own, they are no longer able.

No, it shows how integrated our economies are, and this has served companies very well.  3M has a plant in the USA, that takes Canadian raw materials and then makes masks to send around the world.  The only deficiency with Canada is that it shows that we are too tied to the USA, who has become an unstable trading partner and cannot be relied upon any longer.

It doesn’t make sense for 3M to have a plant in both countries.  These masks are also patented.  No one else is allowed to make this particular mask.

Perhaps Canada should nationalize the manufacture of medical supplies...   but that’s a different issue altogether. 
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« Reply #701 on: April 03, 2020, 05:23:56 pm »
Of course diplomacy should come first.  As I said, this would be in response to the USA actually denying the masks to Canada. 

No, it shows how integrated our economies are, and this has served companies very well.  3M has a plant in the USA, that takes Canadian raw materials and then makes masks to send around the world.  The only deficiency with Canada is that it shows that we are too tied to the USA, who has become an unstable trading partner and cannot be relied upon any longer.

It doesn’t make sense for 3M to have a plant in both countries.  These masks are also patented.  No one else is allowed to make this particular mask.

Perhaps Canada should nationalize the manufacture of medical supplies...   but that’s a different issue altogether.

We need our own companies to have that capability. I posted a link where the Mercedes F1 team worked together with a hospital and reverse engineered CPAP machines to work as 1st stage ventilators. They did it in a week and are now pumping out 1000 a week. Six other teams are working on similar projects. Do we have no companies left with that kind of ability? A few days ago, Trudeau talked about three thousand Canadian companies have been contacted to help but he hasn’t named one of them, what they are working on, or a timeline. Like I said, we are getting a lot of talk but no details. That can only go on for so long before people stop listening.

Yes we are too tied to a US which has become an unreliable partner.
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« Reply #702 on: April 03, 2020, 08:05:03 pm »
the hands of Trump/Kushner are all over this:  US accused of 'modern piracy' after diversion of masks meant for Europe

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About 200,000 N95 masks were diverted to the US as they were being transferred between planes in Thailand, according to the Berlin authorities who said they had ordered the masks for the police force.

Andreas Geisel, the interior minister for Berlin state, described the diversion as “an act of modern piracy” and appealed to the German government to demand Washington conform to international trading rules. “This is no way to treat trans-Atlantic partners,” Geisel said. “Even in times of global crisis there should be no wild west methods.”

ya ya, allegedly!

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« Reply #703 on: April 03, 2020, 08:13:09 pm »
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« Reply #704 on: April 03, 2020, 08:16:53 pm »
Trump is turning the US into an international pariah. He is destroying the US brand single handedly.
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