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Offline Gorgeous Graham

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« Reply #570 on: March 25, 2020, 09:59:58 pm »
A lot of provinces got ahead of this.  We were lucky that Europe had it first.

They didn't have it first.  Canada and the US had cases before Italy, UK, Spain, Sweden, Russia etc.  It's obvious population density is a factor.  Most major countries in Europe have around twice the population as Canada and are far, far smaller in size.  Italy, France, UK have 60+ million people each.   Italy and the UK could fit inside Manitoba with room to spare in terms of total land area.

We didn't do d!ck all. We didn't restrict travel until just recently, we didn't screen at airports.  Sophie Trudeau was photographed with Idris Alba on March 4th in the UK.  We're damn lucky.
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« Reply #571 on: March 25, 2020, 10:44:54 pm »
They didn't have it first.  Canada and the US had cases before Italy, UK, Spain, Sweden, Russia etc.  It's obvious population density is a factor.  Most major countries in Europe have around twice the population as Canada and are far, far smaller in size.  Italy, France, UK have 60+ million people each.   Italy and the UK could fit inside Manitoba with room to spare in terms of total land area.

We didn't do d!ck all. We didn't restrict travel until just recently, we didn't screen at airports.  Sophie Trudeau was photographed with Idris Alba on March 4th in the UK.  We're damn lucky.

Actually the first cases outside of China did show up in Europe before Canada but not by much and it seems we were a bit slow in reacting but what we have does is certainly not "dick all".

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« Reply #572 on: March 25, 2020, 11:25:08 pm »
Hey now we could all use a laugh. Hope this works.

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« Reply #573 on: March 26, 2020, 12:09:54 am »
They didn't have it first.  Canada and the US had cases before Italy, UK, Spain, Sweden, Russia etc.  It's obvious population density is a factor.  Most major countries in Europe have around twice the population as Canada and are far, far smaller in size.  Italy, France, UK have 60+ million people each.   Italy and the UK could fit inside Manitoba with room to spare in terms of total land area.

We didn't do d!ck all. We didn't restrict travel until just recently, we didn't screen at airports.  Sophie Trudeau was photographed with Idris Alba on March 4th in the UK.  We're damn lucky.

I think our current numbers are pretty understated.  In BC we are only testing a) healthcare workers b) people who are associated with outbreaks or c) traveled and show symptoms. 

The only way you can get tested if you don't fit any of those criteria is if you're almost at the hospitalization stage. 

For all we know there is a tsunami headed our way.

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« Reply #575 on: March 26, 2020, 12:51:05 am »
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« Reply #576 on: March 26, 2020, 11:30:27 am »
I think our current numbers are pretty understated.  In BC we are only testing a) healthcare workers b) people who are associated with outbreaks or c) traveled and show symptoms. 

The only way you can get tested if you don't fit any of those criteria is if you're almost at the hospitalization stage. 

For all we know there is a tsunami headed our way.

I agree, but we can also say that about most countries.
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« Reply #577 on: March 26, 2020, 11:45:24 am »
We didn't do d!ck all. We didn't restrict travel until just recently, we didn't screen at airports.  Sophie Trudeau was photographed with Idris Alba on March 4th in the UK.  We're damn lucky.

We followed public health advice.  Airport screening and travel restrictions tend to be bullshit in that regard.

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« Reply #578 on: March 26, 2020, 11:46:12 am »
I think our current numbers are pretty understated.  In BC we are only testing a) healthcare workers b) people who are associated with outbreaks or c) traveled and show symptoms. 

The only way you can get tested if you don't fit any of those criteria is if you're almost at the hospitalization stage. 

For all we know there is a tsunami headed our way.

They probably are in most of the world. A brighter note, the number of new cases per day in BC had pretty much levelled off in the past few days.
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« Reply #579 on: March 26, 2020, 11:46:43 am »
I think our current numbers are pretty understated.  In BC we are only testing a) healthcare workers b) people who are associated with outbreaks or c) traveled and show symptoms. 

The only way you can get tested if you don't fit any of those criteria is if you're almost at the hospitalization stage. 

For all we know there is a tsunami headed our way.

The testing numbers don't support that at this stage.  Most of the tests come back negative (about 98% last I heard).  When the tests come back positive at a rate of 10% is apparently where you run into a problem.

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« Reply #580 on: March 26, 2020, 12:34:51 pm »
We followed public health advice.  Airport screening and travel restrictions tend to be bullshit in that regard.

Then why are we restricting travel now?

If Sophie Trudeau didn't go to the UK she wouldn't have contracted COVID-19 there and brought it back to Canada.  If Joe Blow didn't travel from his house to that public gathering and contracted COVID-19 there he wouldn't have brought it back to his house and infected his family.  The point is to slow the spread and flatten the curve.  If every country immediately banned all travel the moment the outbreak occurred in Wuhan it would have made a big difference.  This situation is unprecedented in modern history, I guess we'll now know better for next time.

Airport screening may not be very effective.  Immediately mandating by law a 14-day self-isolation for all travelers would have been better.  Hindsight is 20/20.  I think next time countries will act more swiftly.  Maybe next time we'd do what we're doing now a month or 2 earlier.
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« Reply #581 on: March 26, 2020, 01:05:47 pm »
Then why are we restricting travel now?

If Sophie Trudeau didn't go to the UK she wouldn't have contracted COVID-19 there and brought it back to Canada.  If Joe Blow didn't travel from his house to that public gathering and contracted COVID-19 there he wouldn't have brought it back to his house and infected his family.  The point is to slow the spread and flatten the curve.  If every country immediately banned all travel the moment the outbreak occurred in Wuhan it would have made a big difference.  This situation is unprecedented in modern history, I guess we'll now know better for next time.

Airport screening may not be very effective.  Immediately mandating by law a 14-day self-isolation for all travelers would have been better.  Hindsight is 20/20.  I think next time countries will act more swiftly.  Maybe next time we'd do what we're doing now a month or 2 earlier.

It's playing the result. No other outbreak in the 20th century has been as infectious as this one.

It's more contagious than the seasonal flu with a higher mortality rate and a much higher hospitalization rate.
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« Reply #582 on: March 26, 2020, 01:51:09 pm »
It's playing the result. No other outbreak in the 20th century has been as infectious as this one.

It's more contagious than the seasonal flu with a higher mortality rate and a much higher hospitalization rate.

That's why I said hindsight is 20/20 and that this situation is unprecedented and that we've learned a lot in case something like this ever happens again.
"The economy has been relatively strong but Trudeau has chosen to run deficits year after year & has said will continue to do so well into the future.  This means we'll be in a worse & more vulnerable financial position when a recession hits when we HAVE to run deficits again." - Me, Oct. 3, 2019

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« Reply #583 on: March 26, 2020, 02:10:34 pm »
That's why I said hindsight is 20/20 and that this situation is unprecedented and that we've learned a lot in case something like this ever happens again.

In theory, we could learn a lot.   Just like in 1918, where up to 100 million people may have died, we should have learned a lot too. 

The lessons from this are going to mean some serious revamping of our entire system.  It will mean more stockpiling of equipment, which costs money.   It will mean less reliance on the ogre to the south of us, which means more money from gov’t to private industry to make that happen.  And probably an increase in costs to consumers.   To avoid the stupidity of suddenly having to hand out cheques to millions of people, it will probably mean a Universal Basic Income.  If we had that, in a case like this, gov’t would just increase the size of the cheque, instead of having to reinvent the wheel.

I think what it will take is taxing those who have more.   Taxing them a lot more.  They’ve been having it pretty easy in this country with the race to the bottom.
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« Reply #584 on: March 26, 2020, 06:43:48 pm »
for total COVID-19 cases, there are projections for the U.S. to overtake Italy... possibly even China... by this Friday! USA, USA, USA...