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Offline Michael Hardner

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« Reply #465 on: March 23, 2020, 07:35:33 pm »
This is exactly the kind of thing people were worried about with him in the White House.  His supporters would eat it up too.
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« Reply #466 on: March 23, 2020, 07:39:32 pm »
Totally.  I'm hoping he's just threatening the Democrats to pass his slush fund stimulus package, but yeah, I could see him going through with it. 

Then again, Boris Johnson tried it too and quickly realized it's not a good look.

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« Reply #467 on: March 23, 2020, 08:08:28 pm »
Totally.  I'm hoping he's just threatening the Democrats to pass his slush fund stimulus package, but yeah, I could see him going through with it. 

Then again, Boris Johnson tried it too and quickly realized it's not a good look.

But Boris may be responsible for the deaths of many people While his stance was “evolving”...

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3 March (release of coronavirus action plan)
“I’m shaking hands continuously. I was at a hospital the other night where I think there were actually a few coronavirus patients and I shook hands with everybody, you’ll be pleased to know. I continue to shake hands.

“We already have a fantastic NHS, fantastic testing systems and fantastic surveillance of the spread of the disease … I want to stress that for the vast majority of the people of this country, we should be going about our business as usual.”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/23/how-coronavirus-advice-from-boris-johnson-has-changed

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« Reply #468 on: March 23, 2020, 08:22:39 pm »
That was my point too. 

Initially Johnson put economy over lives as well but when lots of people started to die, he realized the gravity of it.  He now has ordered a lockdown. 


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« Reply #469 on: March 23, 2020, 09:45:07 pm »
But Boris may be responsible for the deaths of many people While his stance was “evolving”...
 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/23/how-coronavirus-advice-from-boris-johnson-has-changed

"and fantastic surveillance of the spread of the disease "

Boris made it sound like a spectator sport.




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« Reply #470 on: March 23, 2020, 11:10:55 pm »
K, now I feel like Squid may not like me doing this, but since I don't derail every thread to make it about Trump (looking at you Omni), I'll go ahead...

Trump is threatening to go back on social distancing measures because it's hurting the economy.  If he does, the world is f-cked, and we are especially since we share a border with them.

I wouldn't put it past him obviously.  Other than the virus itself, this is the scariest thing I've heard yet about the situation.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1241935285916782593

Yes perhaps I do focus too much on Trump. After all what damage could he possibly do?
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« Reply #471 on: March 23, 2020, 11:19:28 pm »
Trump is threatening to go back on social distancing measures because it's hurting the economy.  If he does, the world is f-cked, and we are especially since we share a border with them.

I wouldn't put it past him obviously.  Other than the virus itself, this is the scariest thing I've heard yet about the situation.
This is exactly the kind of thing people were worried about with him in the White House.  His supporters would eat it up too.

MAGAites, TrumpToadies, right-wing media schlocks, alt-right wingnuts, claimed libertarian twits, etc., ... have all been pushing this idiocy the last few days. This swill extract (below left) from 'The Federalist' even couches it in terms of lost FREEDOM!

and cancer deaths seems to be the comparative go-to... that even if U.S. COVID-19 death numbers hit half... just half... the 2019 ~600,000 cancer deaths... no biggee! You don't shut down your freakin' economy and close-up your country for that!


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« Reply #472 on: March 23, 2020, 11:25:08 pm »
I logged in today as I often do to take a look at the current weather cam pictures at my old stomping grounds where I learned to fly just north of Toronto. I was surprised to see a number of planes parked there today you would normally never see there. I speak of 737's most of which with AirCanda logos on the tail. I can onlu assume they are looking for places to park aircraft not needed for now as air travel slows as people stay home if they can.

I must say I'm kinda glad not to be seating in the seat these days especially on those 17 hour runs from SFO to Dubai.

to the boneyard!

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« Reply #473 on: March 24, 2020, 12:20:39 am »
to the boneyard!

And of course a lot of airline people and downstream lay offs.
I have never been one for praying but perhaps I'll say a word or two tonight for what it's worth. Just in case.

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« Reply #474 on: March 24, 2020, 11:06:21 am »
He said that govs are using this panic as an excuse to grab emergency powers.  The Nazis did the same, and Dubya Bush took advantage of 9/11 fear to start a war and increase mass surveillance and limit civil liberties.  And he's saying don't trust governments, and question what they are telling us in case they exaggerate things to scare us.  He didn't say the virus doesn't exist and isn't killing people.

I returned to show that I, and Ron Paul, were right.  The Liberal government just tried to push for emergency powers to grant them vast new powers to tax and spend until December 2021 without Parliament approval.  Their attempt failed.  Nice try though.  Sounds like something Harper would try to do.  I guess people in power always want more power.
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« Reply #475 on: March 24, 2020, 11:10:50 am »
no death panels - trust me! Doctors will protectively & lovingly shift the sparse supply of ventilators toward the youngins
https://i.imgur.com/FtgZJiL.mp4

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« Reply #476 on: March 24, 2020, 11:22:43 am »
I returned to show that I, and Ron Paul, were right.  The Liberal government just tried to push for emergency powers to grant them vast new powers to tax and spend until December 2021 without Parliament approval.  Their attempt failed.  Nice try though.  Sounds like something Harper would try to do.  I guess people in power always want more power.

Even this 'quick' bill during this crisis will have taken 8 days.  That's too long.  This is a war.  It should be treated like one.
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« Reply #477 on: March 24, 2020, 11:39:58 am »
Now the Conservatives are playing political games with the aid package:

https://twitter.com/ScottReidCPC/status/1242475959506341889?s=20
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Offline Queefer Sutherland

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« Reply #478 on: March 24, 2020, 11:44:04 am »
Even this 'quick' bill during this crisis will have taken 8 days.  That's too long.  This is a war.  It should be treated like one.

It's not a war, it's a health and economic emergency.  Yes let's call it a "war" too so they can invoke the War Measures Act and grab more emergency powers.  If you want emergency tax and spend powers, ask for it at months at a time, not for 2 years.  If it were for 3 months I might be ok with that, they could easily always ask for extensions.  It's a power grab.  But as a Liberal mouthpiece I would expect you to defend it.  This is a government that snuck in the DPA law into a budget bill.  They can't be trusted, nor can any political party, which is why we have a Parliament in the first place.
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Offline Michael Hardner

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« Reply #479 on: March 24, 2020, 11:53:59 am »
I give the Liberals the benefit of the doubt, reluctantly, but that doesn't excuse this as a bad mistake.

We need unity from the 3 main parties now, and this doesn't help.