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« Reply #450 on: March 23, 2020, 08:03:01 am »
I stand corrected.  Canada's fatality rate is now 5.3%.  Before the weekend is was 1%
I'm not trying to minimize the seriousness of COVID-19, but the mortality rates are inaccurate. They're only testing the most severe cases. Some people contract the virus on don't show symptoms. Some people with symptoms who are not having severe difficulty breathing are not even tested, so not included in official statistics. So be careful about interpreting these high mortality rates as generalizable to the broader public. They're not. This is the mortality rate amongst those with serious enough symptoms to be approved for testing.

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« Reply #451 on: March 23, 2020, 08:05:06 am »
Canada's fatality rate as of the last reported numbers is slightly less than 1.4%.  It's the virulence that makes this so scary.  The rate only goes up when it overwhelms health systems, as we see in Italy, Spain, and Iran, and as we're about to see in the US.
This is the trouble exactly. If we don't isolate and everyone gets sick at once, there's no healthcare system in the world that can handle being slammed that way. There are not enough ventilators to keep everyone alive. The reason we are isolating while healthy is to extend the amount of time it takes for the virus to reach everyone. These lockdowns are going to last a lot longer than a couple weeks. I suspect we're going to be in some state of heightened vigilance (not necessarily full blown lockdown) until the Fall at the earliest.
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« Reply #452 on: March 23, 2020, 09:01:56 am »
In Spain they've now stopped helping people over 65.  In Italy, it's 60.

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« Reply #453 on: March 23, 2020, 09:10:11 am »
In Spain they've now stopped helping people over 65.  In Italy, it's 60.
I thought I read that it was 80 in Italy?

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« Reply #454 on: March 23, 2020, 09:10:55 am »
Triage is reversed in crisis. Typically when you go to the ER, they help the most urgent and severe cases first. When the system is overloaded and they're running out of resources, they treat the ones most likely to recover first and consider the most severe cases lost causes.
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« Reply #456 on: March 23, 2020, 12:42:49 pm »
Anyone on the west coast wondering about travel on a BC ferry I now see that if you are in your car you can self isolate by staying in your car even on the lower decks. They also report that currently with reduced travel and people staying in their cars that if you are a foot passenger you have no trouble finding your own corner for the trip.

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« Reply #457 on: March 23, 2020, 01:02:08 pm »
They're not. This is the mortality rate amongst those with serious enough symptoms to be approved for testing.
The mortality rate spikes when they run out of respirators. If you can flatten the curve enough so that everyone who needs a respirator can get one, the mortality rate would be very low.

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« Reply #458 on: March 23, 2020, 01:15:44 pm »
The mortality rate spikes when they run out of respirators. If you can flatten the curve enough so that everyone who needs a respirator can get one, the mortality rate would be very low.

Yes, the problem is the advanced medical care so many people need when they get this virus compared to the flu. 
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« Reply #459 on: March 23, 2020, 01:42:23 pm »
Coming out of this health crisis would be a great time to re-evaluate how we spend research dollars.  I think capitalism has gone too far with medical research.  So much money is wasted by the public, and by companies on absurd things like beauty products, non-essential cures for things that aren’t really a problem, etc.   Billions of dollars that should go into real medical research and real medical planning.  Having enough medical supplies for medical emergencies.   Or, tax the crap out of these things and put the money into funding real research.

Will we?

I doubt the 2 main parties are willing to take on capitalism.
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« Reply #460 on: March 23, 2020, 02:24:23 pm »
The UK, Switzerland, and the Netherlands are about to join the ranks of overwhelmed countries.  How Germany and Norway haven't is baffling with their case load.  May the God I don't believe in watch over us all.
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« Reply #461 on: March 23, 2020, 05:21:35 pm »
Donald Trump speaking at the WH again and again, as usual, spewing complete and utter bullSHIT with regard to this crisis. Please donny, get covid-19 and please **** die asap.
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« Reply #462 on: March 23, 2020, 05:29:27 pm »
Donald Trump speaking at the WH again and again, as usual, spewing complete and utter bullSHIT with regard to this crisis. Please donny, get covid-19 and please **** die asap.

Why don’t you just leave this in the Trump thread? 
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« Reply #463 on: March 23, 2020, 05:31:56 pm »
Why don’t you just leave this in the Trump thread?

Because it's pertinent to both threads and I'll leave were I damn well want.

Surely you're not stupid enough to be a trump supporter?
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« Reply #464 on: March 23, 2020, 07:27:16 pm »
K, now I feel like Squid may not like me doing this, but since I don't derail every thread to make it about Trump (looking at you Omni), I'll go ahead...

Trump is threatening to go back on social distancing measures because it's hurting the economy.  If he does, the world is f-cked, and we are especially since we share a border with them.

I wouldn't put it past him obviously.  Other than the virus itself, this is the scariest thing I've heard yet about the situation.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1241935285916782593
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