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Offline Mr. Perfect

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« Reply #870 on: April 10, 2020, 05:01:44 pm »
We've been assured police and parks wardens hereabouts will be pulling people over, giving them the lecture and telling them to go back to the other side of the island.

Not likely to happen...  RCMP are not going to be pulling over cars to ask where they're from.  The vacationers willl be using your grocery stores, gas stations, staying in Air B&Bs, etc. 

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« Reply #871 on: April 10, 2020, 05:08:06 pm »
I'm wondering/waiting to see if the Vancouver Police hand out one of those 1K fines they now have on the books for failing to distance.
It's all RCMP out here and Federal Parks Warden's have similar authority.  I guess it depends on how broadly the term/phrase failing distance is interpreted and applied.  Given the urgency I'd think a $1000 fine plus a simple "Stay the **** at home" would be apropos.

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« Reply #872 on: April 10, 2020, 05:13:07 pm »
Not likely to happen...  RCMP are not going to be pulling over cars to ask where they're from.  The vacationers willl be using your grocery stores, gas stations, staying in Air B&Bs, etc.
We shall see. If you're right I wouldn't be surprised to see a couple of local 1st Nations that have been itching to throw up a blockade on the only hwy leading into and passing thru their territory take action.  These were dragging logs across all the roads leading into their villages on March 17th hereabouts.  We still have one more local level of government in reserve...so to speak.

As far as I know I think stores and gas stations have closed and everyone knows everyone else so anyone opening up their BnB's will probably hear about it toot suit.  There's been a LOT of focus on BnB's in our local news and social media feeds around here and they'd have to be completely oblivious to not feel the heat.
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« Reply #873 on: April 10, 2020, 05:26:13 pm »
It's all RCMP out here and Federal Parks Warden's have similar authority.  I guess it depends on how broadly the term/phrase failing distance is interpreted and applied.  Given the urgency I'd think a $1000 fine plus a simple "Stay the **** at home" would be apropos.

Actually there is a VPD and they have enacted this 1k fine but so far as I see it's simply a warning measure which has not yet been applied to anyone.

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« Reply #874 on: April 10, 2020, 05:35:31 pm »
We shall see. If you're right I wouldn't be surprised to see a couple of local 1st Nations that have been itching to throw up a blockade on the only hwy leading into and passing thru their territory take action.  These were dragging logs across all the roads leading into their villages on March 17th hereabouts.  We still have one more local level of government in reserve...so to speak.

As far as I know I think stores and gas stations have closed and everyone knows everyone else so anyone opening up their BnB's will probably hear about it toot suit.  There's been a LOT of focus on BnB's in our local news and social media feeds around here and they'd have to be completely oblivious to not feel the heat.

Sure, that could work in a town of a few hundred, I suppose.  It won't work in places like Port Hardy, Sechelt, Ucluelet, etc...  medium sized towns. 

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« Reply #875 on: April 10, 2020, 07:00:18 pm »
Sure, that could work in a town of a few hundred, I suppose.  It won't work in places like Port Hardy, Sechelt, Ucluelet, etc...  medium sized towns.
I can only go on the word of Tofino's Mayor on the news last night.  A replay of BC highway cams leading this way seem to show pretty light traffic

In addition to receiving fines has anyone heard of people possibly being required to also quarantine themselves at home for two weeks?

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« Reply #876 on: April 10, 2020, 07:05:20 pm »
I can only go on the word of Tofino's Mayor on the news last night.  A replay of BC highway cams leading this way seem to show pretty light traffic

In addition to receiving fines has anyone heard of people possibly being required to also quarantine themselves at home for two weeks?

I think that is really awesome that Tofino is able to do that!!  The  Sunshine Coast and other communities need to do the same!  Unfortunately, if the east side gets worse, the west will not be magically spared.  All your stuff comes from this side.
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« Reply #877 on: April 10, 2020, 07:19:58 pm »
I think that is really awesome that Tofino is able to do that!!  The  Sunshine Coast and other communities need to do the same!  Unfortunately, if the east side gets worse, the west will not be magically spared.  All your stuff comes from this side.

Only one road leading to Tofino and Uclulet, just get local FN to set up a road block.
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« Reply #878 on: April 10, 2020, 07:23:57 pm »
Only one road leading to Tofino and Uclulet, just get local FN to set up a road block.

They didn’t need to.  RCMP and Parks Canada are stopping vehicles.  I was wrong about that a few posts up.  They are taking this very seriously.  The Province failed to anticipate the ferry traffic.  RCMP should’ve been in the lineup enforcing the essential only travel restrictions.

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« Reply #879 on: April 10, 2020, 07:42:50 pm »
Just as Graham predicted, the feds don't have anything close to the capacity to approve all of these new CERB claims manually, and will automatically approve applications and check eligibility later:  https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/coronavirus-all-cerb-claims-to-be-approved-feds-will-check-eligibility-later/ar-BB12s19C?li=AAggNb9&ocid=mailsignout

If anyone wants a free loan of $2000 a month, go apply today, they'll just claw it back later.  It will probably take them years to get through these applications and start demanding repayment.  Public servants at Service Canada/ESDC were already stretched to capacity before this virus.
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« Reply #880 on: April 10, 2020, 07:54:27 pm »
Just as Graham predicted, the feds don't have anything close to the capacity to approve all of these new CERB claims manually, and will automatically approve applications and check eligibility later:  https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/coronavirus-all-cerb-claims-to-be-approved-feds-will-check-eligibility-later/ar-BB12s19C?li=AAggNb9&ocid=mailsignout

If anyone wants a free loan of $2000 a month, go apply today, they'll just claw it back later.  It will probably take them years to get through these applications and start demanding repayment.  Public servants at Service Canada/ESDC were already stretched to capacity before this virus.

Loans are loans, and therefore they usually get clawed back, just to set you straight. what the gov. is offering is an interest free loan. That means you get to use the money for some time without extra cost.

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« Reply #881 on: April 10, 2020, 09:24:18 pm »
Loans are loans, and therefore they usually get clawed back, just to set you straight. what the gov. is offering is an interest free loan. That means you get to use the money for some time without extra cost.

The CERB isn't a loan at all.  It's free money, if you qualify.  But even if you don't, free loan!
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« Reply #882 on: April 10, 2020, 10:21:34 pm »
The CERB isn't a loan at all.  It's free money, if you qualify.  But even if you don't, free loan!

You need to maker up your mind. Are you talking about CERB or interest free business loans. There's a difference.

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« Reply #883 on: April 10, 2020, 10:44:24 pm »
You need to maker up your mind. Are you talking about CERB or interest free business loans. There's a difference.

I've only mentioned CERB.  I've never mentioned "interest free business loans".  It's pretty clear what I'm talking about.
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« Reply #884 on: April 10, 2020, 11:24:46 pm »
Just as Graham predicted, the feds don't have anything close to the capacity to approve all of these new CERB claims manually, and will automatically approve applications and check eligibility later:  https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/coronavirus-all-cerb-claims-to-be-approved-feds-will-check-eligibility-later/ar-BB12s19C?li=AAggNb9&ocid=mailsignout

If anyone wants a free loan of $2000 a month, go apply today, they'll just claw it back later.  It will probably take them years to get through these applications and start demanding repayment.  Public servants at Service Canada/ESDC were already stretched to capacity before this virus.


Minor issue.  Of course they were never going to have the ability to do this to perfection.

Hence the need for Universa’ Basic Income.  Wouldn’t need to ramp up anything.