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Offline Storm Shady

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Re: Covid Culture (was Outbreak Culture)
« Reply #5310 on: February 02, 2023, 08:17:01 am »
Extremely helpful? You should send your peer-reviewed research to the Mayo Clinic. You could teach them something. I bet they haven't seen your youtubes and memes.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/expert-answers/coronavirus-and-vitamin-d/faq-20493088
But it IS effective.  The video goes over the data.  Your citation refers to no data, just generalized statements.  Why are you such a shill for big pharma?

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« Reply #5311 on: February 02, 2023, 08:59:44 am »
I believe big pharma should be completely nationalized. How about you? Do you think there should at least be significant new regulations to prevent profiteering...since that's your sudden, new concern? The GOP has worked hard at deregulating their industry. Did they go too far?

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« Reply #5312 on: February 02, 2023, 09:03:45 am »
I believe big pharma should be completely nationalized. How about you? Do you think there should at least be significant new regulations to prevent profiteering...since that's your sudden, new concern? The GOP has worked hard at deregulating their industry. Did they go too far?
Thatís definitely not a good idea.  Just make sure health officials arenít bribed, and are willing to accept cheaper treatments.

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« Reply #5313 on: February 02, 2023, 10:04:35 am »
But as a recent convert in the war against Big Pharma, surely you want stronger regulations to ensure the profiteering we've seen with the vaccines can no longer happen. Your party has fought against such regulations for a long time, so you must now feel they went too far?

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« Reply #5314 on: February 02, 2023, 10:34:33 am »
But as a recent convert in the war against Big Pharma, surely you want stronger regulations to ensure the profiteering we've seen with the vaccines can no longer happen. Your party has fought against such regulations for a long time, so you must now feel they went too far?
You have to find the right balance.  Profiteering is subjective.  If you take away the profit incentive, you take away the biggest incentive to develop and produce new medicines and treatments.  That's a great way to cause a significant decline in new and better drugs.

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Re: Covid Culture (was Outbreak Culture)
« Reply #5315 on: February 02, 2023, 10:48:39 am »
Why are you such a shill for Big Pharma?

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Re: Covid Culture (was Outbreak Culture)
« Reply #5316 on: February 02, 2023, 10:59:50 am »
You have to find the right balance.  Profiteering is subjective.  If you take away the profit incentive, you take away the biggest incentive to develop and produce new medicines and treatments.  That's a great way to cause a significant decline in new and better drugs.

"Don't be a shill for big pharma!" says the needlecuck who opposes any actual structural reforms to the industry.

Left critiques of Big Pharma:
1) Big Pharma spends more on marketing/advertising than r&d
2) New drug research is massively subsidized by taxpayers
3) Drug companies' profit motive results in massive markups making lifesaving medicines often unaffordable
4) Big Pharma spends millions to buy off politicians to keep tax breaks and research funds flowing

Right critiques of Big Pharma
1) They made a medicine I don't want to take

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Re: Covid Culture (was Outbreak Culture)
« Reply #5317 on: February 03, 2023, 11:10:49 am »
Vitamin D is extremely helpful in preventing covid hospitalization.  Health officials didnít push that during the pandemic because thereís no money to be made with inexpensive treatments.

Turns out the study is junk and paid for by a supplements manufacturer.

The nut of it: almost 90% of the data that led to the conclusion that Vitamin D prevents hospitalization comes from a single, non-randomized observational "study".

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« Reply #5318 on: February 03, 2023, 11:33:26 am »
Turns out the study is junk and paid for by a supplements manufacturer.

The nut of it: almost 90% of the data that led to the conclusion that Vitamin D prevents hospitalization comes from a single, non-randomized observational "study".

Isn't it common knowledge that Vitamin D helps with one's immune system?

Zinc too.
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« Reply #5319 on: February 03, 2023, 11:42:16 am »
It's it common knowledge that Vitamin D helps with one's immune system?

Zinc too.

Sure but that was not the specific claim that was made which was that "Vitamin D is extremely helpful in preventing covid hospitalization."

It might be, but we don't have any real evidence of that yet.

Offline Bubbermiley

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« Reply #5320 on: February 03, 2023, 12:11:47 pm »
So it would obviously only be helpful to people who are vitamin D deficient. But that would always be the case, whether there is a pandemic or not.

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« Reply #5321 on: February 03, 2023, 12:18:10 pm »
So it would obviously only be helpful to people who are vitamin D deficient. But that would always be the case, whether there is a pandemic or not.

Well we do live in Canada. . .

Offline Storm Shady

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« Reply #5322 on: February 03, 2023, 01:04:24 pm »
So it would obviously only be helpful to people who are vitamin D deficient. But that would always be the case, whether there is a pandemic or not.
Most people are vitamin D deficient.  Particularly during the winter, when covid, flu, pneumonia, etc are most prevalent.  Regardless, referencing some rando on Twitter isnít science.  And trying to connect the money motive for a vitamin D study is laughable.  Vitamin D isnít restricted by any patent.  Hundreds of companies produce it.  There isnít a lot of money to be made by one vitamin.  Vaccines on the other hand. 🤔

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Re: Covid Culture (was Outbreak Culture)
« Reply #5323 on: February 03, 2023, 01:08:46 pm »
   There isnít a lot of money to be made by one vitamin.  Vaccines on the other hand. 🤔
I agree with your idea that profits are incompatible with public health. Glad to see you guys finally coming around. Let's nationalize all vaccine patents as a first step to a truly public health system.
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Re: Covid Culture (was Outbreak Culture)
« Reply #5324 on: February 03, 2023, 03:03:20 pm »
Most people are vitamin D deficient.  Particularly during the winter, when covid, flu, pneumonia, etc are most prevalent. 

Sounds like a bunch of horseshit to me.

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-Just over two-thirds of Canadians (68%) had blood concentrations of vitamin D over 50 nmol/Lóa level that is sufficient for healthy bones for most people. About 32% of Canadians were below the cut-off.
-Children aged 3 to 5 had the highest rates above the cut-off (89%), while the 20- to 39-year-olds had the lowest (59%).
-About 40% of Canadians were below the cut-off in winter, compared with 25% in the summer.

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Regardless, referencing some rando on Twitter isnít science.

And referencing some rando on YouTube is? LOL you're such a dumb twat.
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