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Offline Omni

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« Reply #45 on: January 31, 2020, 02:37:57 pm »
I see the Dow is down currently about 600 points and I just heard a comment from the TV news that it is likely due to the Corona virus threat. Makes sense I guess since the quarantine with China etc. will not be good for business.

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« Reply #46 on: January 31, 2020, 04:06:05 pm »
What is it that you don’t understand about “ mosquito borne” Humans can not catch it from each other, it must be transferred by mosquito bite.

I never said otherwise.

Omni said malaria isn't an "infectious disease", which isn't true.  It's a disease and you can get infected by it.
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« Reply #47 on: January 31, 2020, 04:14:04 pm »
I never said otherwise.

Omni said malaria isn't an "infectious disease", which isn't true.  It's a disease and you can get infected by it.

Yes I said infectious when I meant contagious. My point again is that comparing malaria it to a virus such as what we see with Corona is not at akk accurate.

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« Reply #48 on: February 01, 2020, 12:31:52 pm »
Honestly, if you include the suspected cases, the fatality rate is below 1%.  This isn't something to get upset about.  China is over reacting because last time they under reacted and got filleted for it.

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« Reply #49 on: February 01, 2020, 12:50:01 pm »
Unfortunately though, some of the steps required to contain such outbreaks have serious impacts on economies. For instance currently United, Delta, and American airlines have all shut down flights to and from mainland China. That has certainly caused their shares to drop and then when you consider the passenger movement that curtails the effects expand. We can see what the markets all did Friday. 

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« Reply #50 on: February 02, 2020, 10:20:27 am »
Unfortunately though, some of the steps required to contain such outbreaks have serious impacts on economies. For instance currently United, Delta, and American airlines have all shut down flights to and from mainland China. That has certainly caused their shares to drop and then when you consider the passenger movement that curtails the effects expand. We can see what the markets all did Friday.

Air Canada suspended flights to China four days ago. So far, nothing from the government. We are still relying on people to self report if they have symptoms.
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« Reply #51 on: February 02, 2020, 10:34:59 am »
Air Canada suspended flights to China four days ago. So far, nothing from the government. We are still relying on people to self report if they have symptoms.

By all indications, this is a relatively mild virus.  Canada has already said that we don't intend to declare a public health emergency...mainly because there isn't one.

Air Canada stopped flying to China, btw, because people were cancelling their tickets over the virus out of fear and caution. Flights were leaving with 40-50 people in the last few days.  This decision was made over a lack of revenue generation. 

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« Reply #52 on: February 02, 2020, 12:01:12 pm »
By all indications, this is a relatively mild virus.  Canada has already said that we don't intend to declare a public health emergency...mainly because there isn't one.

Air Canada stopped flying to China, btw, because people were cancelling their tickets over the virus out of fear and caution. Flights were leaving with 40-50 people in the last few days.  This decision was made over a lack of revenue generation.
Caution that the government doesn’t seem to share. If this thing starts to run away, it will be too late to change tactics. Fortunately, other countries are not being so complacent and will probably limit the spread for us.
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« Reply #53 on: February 02, 2020, 12:08:40 pm »
Caution that the government doesn’t seem to share. If this thing starts to run away

What's the evidence of that?

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« Reply #54 on: February 02, 2020, 01:37:10 pm »
Up to 500k people die every year of the flu, about a million die every year from malaria.  So far about 200 deaths in China from coronavirus.  It's just a bad flu strain that kills mostly elderly and people with health problems etc.  1st guy in Canada to get it just was released from hospital.

This is the dumbest scare ever.

If you want to play the numbers game than maybe consider these: the incidence of death from the flu annually is .1%, so far the death rate from Corona is a little over 2%.

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« Reply #55 on: February 02, 2020, 01:41:39 pm »
If you want to play the numbers game than maybe consider these: the incidence of death from the flu annually is .1%, so far the death rate from Corona is a little over 2%.

That's actually not correct - that's the death rate from confirmed cases only - there are significantly more suspected cases.  They bring the death rate to somewhere around 0.5%, almost exclusively in China.  The death rate for flu in China is not far from that.

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« Reply #56 on: February 02, 2020, 01:54:00 pm »
That's actually not correct - that's the death rate from confirmed cases only - there are significantly more suspected cases.  They bring the death rate to somewhere around 0.5%, almost exclusively in China.  The death rate for flu in China is not far from that.

Over 14,000 infected, 305 deaths. Not hard to do the math.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-rate/

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« Reply #57 on: February 02, 2020, 02:12:47 pm »
Over 14,000 infected, 305 deaths. Not hard to do the math.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-rate/

Again, that's confirmed cases only:

On the 31st, there were ~11K confirmed cases and ~15K suspected (the tests hadn't come back yet).  There was, at that point, 259 dead.  That means that in China, the fatality rate was .99%

https://www.ft.com/content/96bd61c2-226f-31f4-99fa-02cb85c42bf2

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« Reply #58 on: February 02, 2020, 02:40:48 pm »
Again, that's confirmed cases only:

On the 31st, there were ~11K confirmed cases and ~15K suspected (the tests hadn't come back yet).  There was, at that point, 259 dead.  That means that in China, the fatality rate was .99%

https://www.ft.com/content/96bd61c2-226f-31f4-99fa-02cb85c42bf2

The point being that over 2% of confirmed cases have resulted in death. If your coughing but not from Corona virus then you won't die from it.
If your symptoms turn out to be from the virus than unfortunately you have the possibility of joining that 2%.
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« Reply #59 on: February 02, 2020, 02:41:38 pm »
What's the evidence of that?

If you need evidence it has run away, you are far too late. Basically, our government is just crossing its fingers while others are being  proactive. It is expressing far more concern about alleged racism than the disease itself.
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