Author Topic: Covid Culture (was Outbreak Culture) (Read 107119 times)

waldo · « **Reply #3600 on:** August 17, 2021, 11:28:39 am »

Quote from: Boges on August 17, 2021, 09:10:19 am

New Zealand locks down after 1 case found. Jeezus!

They have a less than 20% vaccination rate. WTF are they doing?

I try to come down as a moderate on a lot of stuff but Jacinda Ardern seems like a fascist.

as I read the New Zealand lockdown is in terms of days length in duration... with the maximum length up to 7 days in the city where the case was found as well as Auckland where the person comes from - of course, duration depending on results. Ardern's strategy is oft spoke as, "go hard, go early".

Quote from: New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern

The best thing we can do to get out of this as quickly as we can is to go hard. We have made the decision on the basis that it is better to start high and go down levels rather than to go low, not contain the virus and see it move quickly.

Boges · « **Reply #3601 on:** August 18, 2021, 12:18:29 pm »

Quote from: waldo on August 17, 2021, 11:28:39 am

as I read the New Zealand lockdown is in terms of days length in duration... with the maximum length up to 7 days in the city where the case was found as well as Auckland where the person comes from - of course, duration depending on results. Ardern's strategy is oft spoke as, "go hard, go early".

3-7 days means nothing as incubation could be longer than that.

It's show-boating and authoritarianism. AND if other cases do pop up from this one patient. Does that further the lockdown like a domino?

waldo · « **Reply #3602 on:** August 18, 2021, 12:48:00 pm »

Quote from: Boges on August 18, 2021, 12:18:29 pm

3-7 days means nothing as incubation could be longer than that.

It's show-boating and authoritarianism. AND if other cases do pop up from this one patient. Does that further the lockdown like a domino?

the early reporting had the NZ lockdown centered only on 2 cities - one city where the case was found and the city of Auckland where the person infected was from... turns out the case was actually found in Auckland; however, the lockdown was actually nation-wide for (at least) 3 days and (at least) 7 days for Auckland.

latest case count update has NZ health authorities now advising that 10 cases have been found:

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Nine of these cases have been linked to other community cases and the remaining case has been linked to the border, the Ministry of Health said in a statement.

Earlier, Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said genome sequencing showed three of the cases were linked to the current outbreak in Sydney, although it's not yet clear how the virus breached New Zealand’s border quarantine controls.

In a press conference, Ms Ardern said the government expected the number of cases to keep growing in the coming days, especially after some of those infected spent time at a church, a school, a casino and a hospital.

She announced a new mandate compelling people to wear masks in supermarkets, gas stations and pharmacies.

Dr Ashley Bloomfield, New Zealand director-general of health, said the country can expect 50-100 cases in the latest outbreak.

segnosaur · « **Reply #3603 on:** August 20, 2021, 02:07:02 pm »

Quote from: Boges on August 17, 2021, 09:10:19 am

New Zealand locks down after 1 case found. Jeezus!
They have a less than 20% vaccination rate. WTF are they doing?
I try to come down as a moderate on a lot of stuff but Jacinda Ardern seems like a fascist.

New Zealand has done a remarkable job keeping case rates (and death rates) low without vaccines. They do lock downs, then let life get back to normally after.

Given the fact that vaccines are still in short supply (globally), in a way its a good thing... vaccines can go to places that really need them (such as India) and New Zealand can continue to control the virus using other methods until vaccine supplies are more abundant.

Squidward von Squidderson · « **Reply #3604 on:** August 24, 2021, 03:04:06 pm »

Mask mandate is back for all indoor public spaces in BC again.

Good. Not sure why the government was trying to appease a bunch of kooks.

BC_cheque · « **Reply #3605 on:** August 24, 2021, 05:07:27 pm »

Best part of all this is all the unvaccinated idiots promising to boycott restaurants and venues and/or moving out of the province. Too much winning for one day!

BC_cheque · « **Reply #3606 on:** August 24, 2021, 05:44:10 pm »

I just got news that my mom lost a friend who was double-vaxxed. Older, pre-existing conditions, but still.

Please stay vigilant, the vulnerable around you are still vulnerable.

eyeball · « **Reply #3607 on:** August 24, 2021, 06:08:05 pm »

Quote from: BC_cheque on August 24, 2021, 05:44:10 pm

I just got news that my mom lost a friend who was double-vaxxed. Older, pre-existing conditions, but still.

Please stay vigilant, the vulnerable around you are still vulnerable.

Yeah...some of us have emerging conditions that will make us vulnerable despite being doubled vaxxed. We'll need as many other vaxxed people around us as possible not to mention functioning hospital systems that aren't overloaded with the preventably diseased.

Boges · « **Reply #3608 on:** August 25, 2021, 08:47:28 am »

Quote from: segnosaur on August 20, 2021, 02:07:02 pm

New Zealand has done a remarkable job keeping case rates (and death rates) low without vaccines. They do lock downs, then let life get back to normally after.

Given the fact that vaccines are still in short supply (globally), in a way its a good thing... vaccines can go to places that really need them (such as India) and New Zealand can continue to control the virus using other methods until vaccine supplies are more abundant.

It's not working though. Cases are going up. People are sick of Lockdowns. AND seeing places with much higher case counts acting almost normal (parts of the US and Canada) because of vaccines, must make them feel pretty shitty about their strategy to deal with this pandemic.

Lockdowns should only be used to preserve Healthcare, not to achieve some impractical COVID Zero policy.

NSW in Australia now has more cases per day than Ontario.

Queefer Sutherland · « **Reply #3609 on:** August 26, 2021, 12:00:54 am »

I've been following Canada covid #'s closely but not elsewhere. UK cases are almost as high as last winter, same with US, France its actually higher now.

If Delta can spread like this during summer months whats it going to be like this winter?

In good news though apparently while cases are high, the cases-to-hospitalization and cases-to-deaths ratio has drastically improved since the 3rd wave, so in other words you might get the virus but not get too sick from it.

Queefer Sutherland · « **Reply #3610 on:** August 26, 2021, 12:11:42 am »

In other fun news, even people with mild cases of COVID who suffer from "long covid" can have longterm brain fog that reduces cognitive function, and causes memory loss, concentration problems etc, and lowering IQ in sufferers. It's thought to be at least partly caused by inflammation in the brain, and has similarities to dementia, though its unknown if the symptoms can be permanent.

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/evidence-doctors-worried-long-term-damage-covid-brain/story?id=79150198

segnosaur · « **Reply #3611 on:** August 26, 2021, 09:12:53 am »

Quote from: the_squid on August 24, 2021, 03:04:06 pm

Mask mandate is back for all indoor public spaces in BC again.

Good. Not sure why the government was trying to appease a bunch of kooks.

Ontario never fully dropped the Mask Mandate for indoor events.

Actually kind of surprised... The assumption was that Ford was some sort of Trump-like incompetent populist, but he's actually been fairly cautious when it comes to dealing with Covid. The Ontario covid response hasn't been perfect (perhaps opening to quickly following the post-winter surge, and/or being too restrictive in the last set of lockdowns), but its been better here than in several other provinces.

Boges · « **Reply #3612 on:** August 30, 2021, 10:17:36 am »

Vaccine Passport coming to Ontario.

With cases going up, this is a no-brainer.

Squidward von Squidderson · « **Reply #3613 on:** September 01, 2021, 12:42:26 pm »

Religious exemptions to a vaccine???

There shouldn’t be any.

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/no-medical-or-religious-exemptions-for-b-c-s-vaccine-passport-system-1.5558423

BC has not made any exceptions for the vaccine passport with respect to religion. Nor should they.

We shouldn’t be catering public health policy to religious crackpots.

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Would Canadian courts uphold vaccine mandates in the face of a Section 7 challenge? As legal scholars and educators, we believe the answer is a resounding “Yes!”

Vaccine mandates are not forced vaccinations

Would-be claimants alleging that vaccine mandates violate Section 7 face multiple hurdles to prove their case. The first obstacle is establishing an infringement of a protected interest in “life, liberty or security of the person.”

Two leading cases have looked at the role of individual autonomy in medical decisions: A.C. vs. Manitoba (Director of Child and Family Services) and B. (R.) vs. Children’s Aid Society of Metropolitan Toronto. Based on these decisions, forced vaccinations would violate the rights to liberty and security of the person.

But campus mandates are not forced vaccinations. Mandates offer choices: receive or decline the vaccine. Employees who decline must be reassigned to off-campus work or take a leave of absence. Students who decline must enrol in online classes or take the semester off.

https://theconversation.com/amp/canadian-colleges-and-universities-can-mandate-covid-19-vaccination-without-violating-charter-rights-166640

kimmy · « **Reply #3614 on:** September 02, 2021, 12:35:10 am »

Quote from: the_squid on September 01, 2021, 12:42:26 pm

Religious exemptions to a vaccine???

There shouldn’t be any.

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Vaccine mandates are not forced vaccinations

I'm really getting sick of reading the phrase "mandatory vaccinations" in news articles. Nobody is proposing mandatory vaccinations. I feel as though lazy and/or stupid journalists are aggravating the problem by using misleading and inaccurate language.

NO, we can't force you to get vaccinated. Can't happen in Canada.

YES, we can fire you from your job at the hospital or the long-term care facility if you won't get vaccinated. Can happen, has to happen.

-k

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