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Queefer Sutherland · « **Reply #2970 on:** March 17, 2021, 04:06:16 pm »

Quote from: wilber on March 16, 2021, 07:27:36 pm

Developed in Canada but it won’t be made in Canada for two years.

Over-under on how many are injected into a Canadian after testing? I say 5.

Feds can burn money ordering however many they want, doesn't mean they'll fill the orders.

JMT · « **Reply #2971 on:** March 17, 2021, 04:22:49 pm »

Quote from: wilber on March 17, 2021, 02:18:28 pm

They got an 8 million dollar federal loan back in 2015. No real money until last March. Thanks to the Americans they have a plant in North Carolina that can churn out 10 million doses a month. Medicago is now a wholly owned subsidiary of Mitsubishi Tanabe Pharmacy.

They got a contract with the Americans to develop flu vaccine, and that's where the plant came from. Don't twist what happened.

wilber · « **Reply #2972 on:** March 17, 2021, 05:21:13 pm »

Quote from: JMT on March 17, 2021, 04:22:49 pm

They got a contract with the Americans to develop flu vaccine, and that's where the plant came from. Don't twist what happened.

So what. The US was willing to invest in production and we weren't. Because they were concerned about a future pandemic.

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DARPA launched the Blue Angel project as a response to the deadly swine flu that year to show that if another pandemic were to hit, it could respond rapidly with a vaccine.

JMT · « **Reply #2973 on:** March 17, 2021, 07:53:53 pm »

Quote from: wilber on March 17, 2021, 05:21:13 pm

So what. The US was willing to invest in production and we weren't. Because they were concerned about a future pandemic.

Canada already had ample flu vaccine production facilities, and in fact continues to. That's one area where we in fact aren't weak, and so it was never the same issue.

When it came to turn key operations to make various different types of vaccines, we were out of luck. That was why earlier investments in VIDO-Intervac were made. It just ended up being too late. Now we'll end up with several facilities.

We can't go back in time. We can only move forward. Criticism of past failures will do nothing. We just have to make sure we do better now.

We're also now vaccinating in the same range as many of the top performers, without production, because of our diversified portfolio.

Queefer Sutherland · « **Reply #2974 on:** March 17, 2021, 09:04:47 pm »

I think short-term thinking and money is undermining our national security in different areas. We learned that we were woefully unprepared for a pandemic, and we can't blame any one government or party on that. I'm sure there's a myriad other ways we're sleeping at the switch, and maybe it would keep some of us up at night.

We've already seen how the Chinese government and certain private interests in the China have undermined our national security in the name of money and complacency.

No doubt not funding vaccine facilities has saved taxpayers money to spend on other goodies we like, but it's also cost us lives. Again, short term interests. Most politicians, especially the ones savvy enough to rise towards the top, are above everything else worried about getting re-elected.

I think it's similar with our military. We don't really have a strong need for a capable military at the moment, but if we were ever attacked i'm sure we would be woefully unprepared and would need to rely on the US and other allies. If it were a situation of every country for themselves, like in a pandemic, we'd be screwed.

wilber · « **Reply #2975 on:** March 18, 2021, 11:32:13 am »

Quote from: JMT on March 17, 2021, 07:53:53 pm

Canada already had ample flu vaccine production facilities, and in fact continues to. That's one area where we in fact aren't weak, and so it was never the same issue.

When it came to turn key operations to make various different types of vaccines, we were out of luck. That was why earlier investments in VIDO-Intervac were made. It just ended up being too late. Now we'll end up with several facilities.

We can't go back in time. We can only move forward. Criticism of past failures will do nothing. We just have to make sure we do better now.

We're also now vaccinating in the same range as many of the top performers, without production, because of our diversified portfolio.

And yet if this vaccine is approved, until the Quebec plant is up and running 90% of it will be coming from that "flu" vaccine manufacturing plant in North Carolina. I just made the comment that even though Medicago is a Canadian base company, the vaccine will not be made in Canada for nearly two years. That really seems to have struck a nerve for some reason.

waldo · « **Reply #2976 on:** March 18, 2021, 02:22:40 pm »

Quote from: wilber on March 18, 2021, 11:32:13 am

And yet if this vaccine is approved, until the Quebec plant is up and running 90% of it will be coming from that "flu" vaccine manufacturing plant in North Carolina. I just made the comment that even though Medicago is a Canadian base company, the vaccine will not be made in Canada for nearly two years. That really seems to have struck a nerve for some reason.

you tied yourself to a 'late 2023 or early 2024' completion timeline; I stated those estimates reflected upon a FULLY functioning production operation. Medicago has advised it's new Quebec facility will be operational 'in 2021'... but that's not fully operational! Perhaps you could provide a cite/source for your now claimed "until the Quebec plant is up and running 90% of it will be coming from that "flu" vaccine manufacturing plant in North Carolina" - yes?

Quote from: wilber on March 17, 2021, 05:21:13 pm

So what. The US was willing to invest in production and we weren't. Because they were concerned about a future pandemic.
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DARPA launched the Blue Angel project as a response to the deadly swine flu that year to show that if another pandemic were to hit, it could respond rapidly with a vaccine.

again:

Quote from: waldo on March 17, 2021, 01:05:14 pm

there's a history of hesitancy towards Medicago and its attachments to 'Big Tobacco'... whether that's from medical journals refusing to publish its papers, or the WHO's 'positioning' towards Medicago, or government resistance to providing funding. Certainly the March timing coincides with the beginnings of 'the worst of COVID'; however, also in date proximity was the beginning of ownership change that saw Philip Morris begin its move to divest itself of shares and company management ties.

member wilber, I'm shocked you choose to dump on a... seemingly 'good news' development for a Canadian domestic vaccine production capability! Shocked I tells ya!

as for that DARPA 'Blue Angel' project reference you made: of course, DARPA is a division of the U.S. Department of Defense... those initial dollars that went to building 4 U.S. facilities (the NC facility being one of the four) reflect upon the DARPA attachment to aspects of its medical countermeasures program established to protect U.S. troops from biological warfare agents. As much as you're wanting to push the narrative that the U.S., that Obama (as you mentioned) "bankrolled" Medicago and the NC facility, it was initially tied to the ever burgeoning budget monies the U.S. DoD receives - go figure, hey!

waldo recap: rather than saying a single g-damn positive thing about Medicago potentially making advances toward Canadian domestic vaccine development capabilities, member wilber chose to shyte upon it - bigTime!

Additionally member Gorgeous doesn't understand over/under betting!

wilber · « **Reply #2977 on:** March 18, 2021, 07:48:41 pm »

Never said anything negative about Medicago, they went where they got the financing they needed. Obviously our government couldn't put aside its prejudices against big tobacco and we are now paying the price. Good old Canadian image over pragmatism again.

If you bothered to read the article I posted, it was quite clear that only 10% of the vaccine would be produced in Canada until the new plant is up and running.

Really did hit a sore spot.

waldo · « **Reply #2978 on:** March 19, 2021, 01:02:35 am »

Quote from: wilber on March 16, 2021, 07:27:36 pm

Developed in Canada but it won’t be made in Canada for two years.

Quote from: wilber on March 17, 2021, 12:14:59 am

Medicago's current production facility is in North Carolina, the new Quebec facility isn't expected to be up an running until late 2023 or early 2024

Quote from: wilber on March 18, 2021, 07:48:41 pm

If you bothered to read the article I posted, it was quite clear that only 10% of the vaccine would be produced in Canada until the new plant is up and running.

Really did hit a sore spot.

you've chirped on that presumptive "sore spot" point several times now... it begs the question on why you interpret... why you believe... vaccine production output from the wholly owned Medicago subsidiary, from Medicago USA's facility in North Carolina, wouldn't be available/targeted towards Canada/Canadians? You keep reveling in this lil' ditty or why would you keep nattering on about it, hey!

in any case, you have no credibility here; on one hand you stated nothing would be developed in Canada for 2 years... then you throw down the reference, "until late 2023 or early 2024". In that context (ala your "Global News" sourced reference) how can you even mouth-off about producing 10% in Canada? Since your whole narrative is based on that single article, why doesn't it source an actual quote from Medicago to that end, hey?

waldo · « **Reply #2979 on:** March 19, 2021, 01:45:48 am »

Quote from: kimmy on March 17, 2021, 12:34:16 am

We should have a crown corporation for this. Private corporations will abandon us if it makes financial sense. It's an issue of national security, just like defense or energy. I mean, it's good that these companies are happening in Canada, but let's do more.

as funded by the federal Liberal government, see the new in development National Research Council facility in Montreal - Biologics Manufacturing Centre; ready to start producing vaccines several months into 2022... capable of producing millions of doses of vaccine per month. As I posted back in August, 2020:

Quote from: waldo on August 31, 2020, 04:44:18 pm

as I mentioned in an earlier Aug 17 post, this latest announcement is over and above the financial support the Government of Canada initially provided for upgrades to the existing NRC Royalmount Avenue biomanufacturing facility in Montréal; specifically, upgrades to complete in late 2020/early 2021. As for today's latest announcement concerning a new NRC facility... with a completion timeline must sooner than your stated 'will take two years (hopefully)' period; specifically:

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=> February 2021, PM Trudeau announced that Canada has signed a tentative agreement for Novavax to produce (52) millions of doses of its COVID-19 vaccine at the NRC facility in Montreal - pending approval by Health Canada

=> as a Government of Canada organization, the NRC's mandate is set out in the National Research Council Act.

=> per the NRC:

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NRC is consulting with stakeholders in the biomanufacturing sector to gather valuable input into future plans for the centre, including its eventual operation as a public-private partnership and the process for securing an organization to operate it.

These stakeholder consultations will help inform the NRC in developing the governance and operational model for the Biologics Manufacturing Centre, and ensure it adheres to industry best practices, and ultimately provides the maximum benefit to Canadians.

The consultation includes representatives from a range of organizations in the biomanufacturing sector, such as contract manufacturing organizations, contract development and manufacturing organizations, biopharmaceutical companies and academia.

waldo · « **Reply #2980 on:** March 19, 2021, 02:08:19 am »

today: Federal Procurement Minister Anita Anand stated there are about 900,000 vaccine doses sitting in provincial freezers right now... Ontario has more than 400,000 federally procured vaccine doses left over today - with another 789,000 coming to Ontario next week!

of course azzClown Ford has continually complained that his government's inability to vaccinate Ontario residents to the fullest degree possible in relation to vaccine allotment is due to federal government procurement delays... certainly there are no problems with his province's rollout - certainly not!

now today the azzClown Ford had this to say in regards the loan agreement reached between Canada & the U.S. to transfer 1.5 million doses of the AstraZeneca vaccine to Canada... a vaccine that has yet to receive U.S. approvals:

wilber · « **Reply #2981 on:** March 19, 2021, 10:24:32 am »

Quote from: waldo on March 19, 2021, 01:02:35 am

you've chirped on that presumptive "sore spot" point several times now... it begs the question on why you interpret... why you believe... vaccine production output from the wholly owned Medicago subsidiary, from Medicago USA's facility in North Carolina, wouldn't be available/targeted towards Canada/Canadians? You keep reveling in this lil' ditty or why would you keep nattering on about it, hey!

in any case, you have no credibility here; on one hand you stated nothing would be developed in Canada for 2 years... then you throw down the reference, "until late 2023 or early 2024". In that context (ala your "Global News" sourced reference) how can you even mouth-off about producing 10% in Canada? Since your whole narrative is based on that single article, why doesn't it source an actual quote from Medicago to that end, hey?

Yup, hit a nerve alright. Oh so touchy.

waldo · « **Reply #2982 on:** March 20, 2021, 12:21:10 am »

Quote from: wilber on March 19, 2021, 10:24:32 am

Yup, hit a nerve alright. Oh so touchy.

yours is such a weak lame-azzed deflection! Here, again - just answer the question; this question:

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"you've chirped on that presumptive "sore spot" point several times now... it begs the question on why you interpret... why you believe... vaccine production output from the wholly owned Medicago subsidiary, from Medicago USA's facility in North Carolina, wouldn't be available/targeted towards Canada/Canadians?"

wilber · « **Reply #2983 on:** March 20, 2021, 11:37:08 am »

Quote from: waldo on March 20, 2021, 12:21:10 am

yours is such a weak lame-azzed deflection! Here, again - just answer the question; this question:

I really didn't think I would have to explain it to you.

For the same reason we aren't getting any other US approved vaccine that is manufactured in the US. If this is approved in the US, why would you think it will be any different. If we were guaranteed the production from the North Carolina plant, why are we giving them 173 million to build a plant in Quebec? Liberal pork?

waldo · « **Reply #2984 on:** March 20, 2021, 12:36:18 pm »

Quote from: waldo on March 19, 2021, 01:02:35 am

you've chirped on that presumptive "sore spot" point several times now... it begs the question on why you interpret... why you believe... vaccine production output from the wholly owned Medicago subsidiary, from Medicago USA's facility in North Carolina, wouldn't be available/targeted towards Canada/Canadians? You keep reveling in this lil' ditty or why would you keep nattering on about it, hey!

Quote from: wilber on March 20, 2021, 11:37:08 am

I really didn't think I would have to explain it to you.

For the same reason we aren't getting any other US approved vaccine that is manufactured in the US. If this is approved in the US, why would you think it will be any different. If we were guaranteed the production from the North Carolina plant, why are we giving them 173 million to build a plant in Quebec? Liberal pork?

perhaps explain it to member wilber... to yourself!

Quote from: wilber on March 18, 2021, 11:32:13 am

And yet if this vaccine is approved, until the Quebec plant is up and running 90% of it will be coming from that "flu" vaccine manufacturing plant in North Carolina.

Quote from: wilber on March 18, 2021, 07:48:41 pm

... only 10% of the vaccine would be produced in Canada until the new plant is up and running.

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