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Re: Covid Culture (was Outbreak Culture)
« Reply #2880 on: February 15, 2021, 01:04:16 pm »
By June, this will be be largely over.

see Covid variants; per MAYO Clinic:

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    - A variant identified in the U.K. This COVID-19 variant (B.1.1.7) has 23 mutations. Several of these mutations are in the spikelike S protein that the virus uses to attach itself to the surface of human cells. This variant might be associated with an increased risk of death compared to other variants, but further research is needed.
    - A variant identified in South Africa. This variant (B.1.351) has multiple mutations in the S protein. There's no evidence that this variant cause more severe disease due to COVID-19.
    - A variant identified in Brazil. This variant (P.1) has 17 mutations, including 3 in the S protein. Some evidence suggests that this variant might be less vulnerable to antibodies generated by a previous COVID-19 infection or a COVID-19 vaccine.

notwithstanding it's unknown, of course, how long vaccine 'immunity' will last

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Re: Covid Culture (was Outbreak Culture)
« Reply #2881 on: February 15, 2021, 02:43:34 pm »
see Covid variants; per MAYO Clinic:

notwithstanding it's unknown, of course, how long vaccine 'immunity' will last

The vaccine still appears to protect from severe disease in all variants.
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« Reply #2882 on: February 15, 2021, 11:28:08 pm »
The vaccine still appears to protect from severe disease in all variants.

Quote from: Dr. Anthony Fauci, Director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases at the U.S. National Institutes of Health
Data on the South Africa variant of the coronavirus is sobering, and current vaccines are less effective against it than the original strain or U.K. variant. But we do know that the South Africa variant evades the protection from some of the monoclonal antibodies, and it diminishes somewhat the capability and the effectiveness of the vaccine to block it. It doesnít eliminate it, but it diminishes it by multiple fold.

There is still some cushion left so that current vaccines do provide some protection against it. In South Africa, there were people who got infected with the original virus, recovered and then got reinfected with the South Africa variant. That indicates prior infection does not protect someone from reinfection with the South Africa variant.

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Re: Covid Culture (was Outbreak Culture)
« Reply #2883 on: February 16, 2021, 09:44:19 am »
The vaccine still appears to protect from severe disease in all variants.
While true, I'm hearing rumblings of only a 3-6 month window of protection. Though more difficult to become infected after that, it still may be altogether possible. Let's hope that more research shows that NOT to be the case.

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Re: Covid Culture (was Outbreak Culture)
« Reply #2884 on: February 16, 2021, 02:02:09 pm »
While true, I'm hearing rumblings of only a 3-6 month window of protection. Though more difficult to become infected after that, it still may be altogether possible. Let's hope that more research shows that NOT to be the case.

Becoming infected isn't really the concern. If we can avoid the lung scaring and severe illness, we're doing okay.
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Re: Covid Culture (was Outbreak Culture)
« Reply #2885 on: February 16, 2021, 02:02:54 pm »
stuff

Yes, the vaccines are less effective. They still work, and still appear to prevent severe illness.

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Re: Covid Culture (was Outbreak Culture)
« Reply #2886 on: February 16, 2021, 06:22:32 pm »
@JMT

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https://canadianpoliticalevents.createaforum.com/the-world/outbreak-culture/?message=74604

The vaccine still appears to protect from severe disease in all variants.
What we really need is protection from the disease that allowed all these variants into Canada in the 1st place. Unfortunately not only is there no cure for stupid there are no apparent treatments for even its worst symptoms.

I bet there's people who still imagine our species will go extinct by outsmarting itself.

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« Reply #2887 on: February 16, 2021, 07:43:26 pm »
@JMT
What we really need is protection from the disease that allowed all these variants into Canada in the 1st place. Unfortunately not only is there no cure for stupid there are no apparent treatments for even its worst symptoms.

I bet there's people who still imagine our species will go extinct by outsmarting itself.

Treatments will come. HIV used to be a death sentence, now it is manageable and sometimes reversible.
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« Reply #2888 on: February 17, 2021, 10:51:36 am »
Becoming infected isn't really the concern. If we can avoid the lung scaring and severe illness, we're doing okay.
Lets hope it helps with that. It's still too early to tell. Fingers crossed.
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« Reply #2889 on: February 17, 2021, 12:43:50 pm »
article about/interview of Canadian co-founder of Moderna, Derrick Rossi - currently a Professor in the Department of Stem Cell and Regenerative Biology at Harvard Medical School... speaks to original stem-cell based research that keyed on modified... manufactured... mRNA that forms the basis of today's Moderna and Pfizer Covid vaccines - Rossi mentions he's been advising both the federal Liberal and Ontario provincial governments on vaccine strategy:

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Question: Itís fair to say our rollout has been slower than weíd like. Youíve got an inside track at Moderna. Where did we go wrong?

Rossi Answer: Canada did a good job of securing doses. And Canada was able to pay for its Moderna doses upfront, which has been hugely important to getting the infrastructure in place. The current bottleneck is a manufacturing issue, and I donít know that thereís much that can be done about that. I think the focus needs to be on creating the infrastructure for domestic production.
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Re: Covid Culture (was Outbreak Culture)
« Reply #2890 on: February 17, 2021, 05:43:30 pm »
Treatments will come. HIV used to be a death sentence, now it is manageable and sometimes reversible.
I was talking about stupidity.

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« Reply #2891 on: February 20, 2021, 12:50:51 am »
Yet Manitoba has signed a deal for 20 million doses of their vaccine.
Yes, our premier just gave away 7M dollars.

If mRNA is the future of vaccines, I'm surprised the federal government has shown such little interest in Providence. I hope that changes.
Oct 2020 presser from Providence highlighting Liberal government support... phase 1 trial just started a few weeks back now - last week in January.



as for the earlier reference to Manitoba/Conservative Premier Pallister's lame-assed move, Pallister had to 'save face' after he falsely claimed the federal government was preventing the provinces/Manitoba from purchasing vaccines directly. So Pallister sure showed em, hey: that potential Providence vaccine, if all trial requirements prove successful... skepticism abounds that Providence could even have a vaccine in production by year-end!

naturally O'Foole/CPC were loudly singing the praises for Manitoba Premier Pallister's push to directly procure a vaccine... of course a most obliging media is regularly carrying water for the O'Foole/CPC misinformation campaign claiming a, 'Trudeau vaccine bungle'. As it's just now been revealed, Key components of Pallister's 'made-in-Canada' vaccine sourced from U.S. and Switzerland

so, for Manitoban's, that's a $7.2-million, non-refundable down payment on a $36-million deal that presumes to deliver 2 million doses of a vaccine by year-end... from a company just now entering into a Phase 1 clinical trial.

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Some experts believe getting that first shipment of doses to market before the end of the year would be a stretch, if not downright impossible.

"The best case scenario? Probably early in the new year," said Prof. Mahesh Nagarajan, who specializes in supply chain management at the UBC Sauder School of Business. University of Ottawa School of Epidemiology and Public Health Prof. Amir Attaran is more skeptical.

"Providence delivering a vaccine by Dec. 31 is so improbable as to belong in the realm of fantasy in my opinion," said Attaran.

He doubts Providence will be able to enrol sufficient participants in its Phase 2 and Phase 3 trials, which have yet to be approved by Health Canada.

He also questions the company's ability to compete with Pfizer, the maker of one of the two approved vaccines in Canada.

"How is Providence, which is operating out of a minuscule office in Calgary, going to go up against that?" said Attaran.

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Re: Covid Culture (was Outbreak Culture)
« Reply #2892 on: February 21, 2021, 08:58:48 am »
Vaccines are confirmed to stop transmission.

With 200M injections, things are looking good.
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Re: Covid Culture (was Outbreak Culture)
« Reply #2893 on: February 21, 2021, 09:44:41 am »
Vaccines are confirmed to stop transmission.

With 200M injections, things are looking good.
It also appears the worst could be behind us within that hopeful optimistic 18 month time-frame we were given last March by experts.

I hope someone makes a compilation of clips from all the politicians and pundits who've used the words forever, indefinitely and can't to decry the measures that have been taken to get us through it.

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Pfizer-BioNTech Shot Stops Covidís Spread, Israeli Study Shows

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-02-21/pfizer-biontech-shot-stops-covid-s-spread-israeli-study-shows
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Re: Covid Culture (was Outbreak Culture)
« Reply #2894 on: February 21, 2021, 12:04:23 pm »
We'll see. It's a little early to be declaring victory with all the variants that are springing up. In spite of its high vaccination rate, the UK is still having nearly ten times as many deaths as Canada.
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