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« Reply #2295 on: December 01, 2020, 02:17:47 pm »
I think the military is involved strictly because they are good at the logistics of huge operations.

They’re certainly not there for security.  At least I hope not...  that definitely sends the wrong message.

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The team -- including operational planners, pharmacists, health-care administrators, engineers, and IT experts -- has been in place for months, quietly planning for the rollout.

The military says it is helping to “synchronize” vaccine deliveries and the requirement for cold storage, putting in place “risk-mitigation tools” and conduct “a series of exercises” ahead of vaccines being administered to all corners of the country.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/meet-the-military-general-in-charge-of-canada-s-mass-covid-19-vaccination-effort-1.5207985
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« Reply #2296 on: December 01, 2020, 02:39:43 pm »
I think the military is involved strictly because they are good at the logistics of huge operations.
I know there's a place for them but I just can't pass up the opportunity to have a laugh at the expense of politicians flailing about for causes of outrage with no more imagination than Trump's legal team has.  Time is running out after all.

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« Reply #2297 on: December 01, 2020, 02:57:52 pm »
Conservatives never fail to come up with good reasons for never voting for them as well. Funnier reasons at least so there is that.
Speaking of security, what would really get my attention is if O'Toole demanded the Liberals come up with a national plan to protect Canadians from people bent on treating COVID as if it were a joke.

All joking aside, being calm and kind has it's limits and if there's any one thing most responsible for spreading COVID it's the infectious stupidity covidiots carry.  A stupidity that appears to be accelerating along with case counts given the increase in anti-mask protests and outright defiance of public health orders.  Shame on any politician who would coddle or worse seek to exploit this.
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Re: Covid Culture (was Outbreak Culture)
« Reply #2298 on: December 01, 2020, 10:00:40 pm »
Here's a simple solution to a COVID PITA, foggy glasses.  Now I just need something to keep from ripping my glasses off and tearing my hearing aids out when I take the damn mask off. 



(Hah, it worked. I think. Thanks to Wilber)

 

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« Reply #2299 on: December 01, 2020, 11:48:28 pm »
(Hah, it worked. I think. Thanks to Wilber)

I've given up.

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« Reply #2300 on: December 05, 2020, 06:18:10 pm »
Seems the courts have not seen enough evidence that the advantages of eating bread and wine and listening to a man speak in person are more numerous than the advantages of saving lives and watching a man speak on the internet or TV.  Some people are dumb.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/springs-church-covid-19-manitoba-1.5830024

"Winnipeg's Springs Church drive-in service not exempt from public health orders, court rules

Unable to prove attending church virtually causes irreparable harm to congregants


A Manitoba court has ruled that a Winnipeg church will not be exempt from public health orders and is not permitted to hold drive-in worship services.

Manitoba Court of Queen's Bench Chief Justice Glenn Joyal denied Springs Church's application to hold services in the parking lot of its Lagimodiere Boulevard location and its request for an interim stay of the province's current public health order that prohibits in-person religious gatherings.

"These orders necessarily restrict rights ... in order to prevent death, illness and the overwhelming of the public health system in Manitoba," Joyal said in a rare Saturday court hearing.

Springs Church and two of its pastors have been fined more than $32,000 for allowing the services, which are banned under Manitoba's current public health order aimed at curbing the spread of COVID-19.
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« Reply #2301 on: December 05, 2020, 10:52:16 pm »
{Liberal} government of Canada secures more Moderna vaccines (now at 40 million doses); signs deal with FedEx to ship doses

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Procurement Minister Anita Anand announced on Friday that “based on the best scientific data available to date, and on the recommendation of the Public Health Agency of Canada and the vaccine task force,” the government has exercised an option within their existing contract, to lock-in the delivery of more doses of the pharmaceutical giant’s vaccine candidate.

Under the deal, Canada was planning to receive up to 56 million doses of its vaccine candidate, but had specifically locked in 20 million of those. That’s now doubled.

As well, Anand said the federal government has signed contracts with FedEx Express Canada and Innomar Strategies for the “end-to-end, COVID-19 vaccine logistics solution,” which is essentially the shipment and delivery contract to distribute vaccines, with the exception of the Pfizer vaccine as that one requires such cold temperatures that the manufacturer is handling the transport itself.

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« Reply #2302 on: December 05, 2020, 11:56:25 pm »
{Liberal} government of Canada secures more Moderna vaccines (now at 40 million doses); signs deal with FedEx to ship doses[/b][/url]

This is good, but when will they be shipped?

We were never going to get vaccines as fast as countries that developed their own, like US and UK, but we still screwed up, we dropped the ball and signed contracts late.  To lessen the blow, Trudeau told Canadians that we don't have any domestic vaccine production.  Which is a lie, we just don't have the facilities to produce these specific COVID-19 vaccines because the tech is new and never before used.

Trudeau gov is building a new facility in Montreal (surprise!) which was supposed to be ready in Nov, but now the gov says it's going to be ready in July.

This government's COVID procurement has been an embarrassing disaster.  They gave away many tons of PPE to China in Feb, failed to secure vaccine contracts in a timely manner, and have failed in their timelines to build a new gov vaccine production facility.  ???
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""We're going to get the COVID-19 vaccine in Canada much later and it's because of serious errors by the federal government in not purchasing vaccines sooner — we dithered as a country for so long that we find ourselves towards the back of the queue." — Amir Attaran, University of Ottawa professor of Medicine and Law and an expert in vaccines."

https://www.thestar.com/politics/2020/11/25/bloc-leader-slams-trudeau-over-unacceptable-handling-of-covid-19-vaccine-orders.html

https://calgaryherald.com/opinion/columnists/corbella-7
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« Reply #2303 on: December 06, 2020, 05:24:38 am »
{Liberal} government of Canada secures more Moderna vaccines (now at 40 million doses); signs deal with FedEx to ship doses
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Procurement Minister Anita Anand announced on Friday that “based on the best scientific data available to date, and on the recommendation of the Public Health Agency of Canada and the vaccine task force,” the government has exercised an option within their existing contract, to lock-in the delivery of more doses of the pharmaceutical giant’s vaccine candidate.

Under the deal, Canada was planning to receive up to 56 million doses of its vaccine candidate, but had specifically locked in 20 million of those. That’s now doubled.

As well, Anand said the federal government has signed contracts with FedEx Express Canada and Innomar Strategies for the “end-to-end, COVID-19 vaccine logistics solution,” which is essentially the shipment and delivery contract to distribute vaccines, with the exception of the Pfizer vaccine as that one requires such cold temperatures that the manufacturer is handling the transport itself.

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We're going to get the COVID-19 vaccine in Canada much later and it's because of serious errors by the federal government in not purchasing vaccines sooner — we dithered as a country for so long that we find ourselves towards the back of the queue." — Amir Attaran, University of Ottawa professor of Medicine and Law and an expert in vaccines."

quit spreading the CPC/O'Fool lies, hey Gorgeous!

re: Moderna, as one of the seven vaccine makers the {Liberal} government secured agreements with: on Aug. 5 with Moderna for 20 million doses of its mRNA vaccine, with the option to procure an additional 36 million doses - Moderna's vaccine candidate is currently in Stage 3 clinical trials and preliminary data released two weeks ago showed it appears to be 94.5 per cent effective.

Quote from: Noubar Afeyan, co-founder and chairman of Moderna
Canada is not at the back of the line. Because Canada was among the first countries to make a pre-order with Moderna, the country is guaranteed to receive a certain portion of the company's initial batch of doses — as long as the vaccine proves safe and effective and is given regulatory approval. Discussions to increase orders are ongoing.

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« Reply #2304 on: December 06, 2020, 05:37:35 am »
The Economist: Canada has purchased ten doses of the projected covid-19 vaccine supply for each of its citizens, the most for any country or alliance on a per person basis

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« Reply #2305 on: December 06, 2020, 05:49:51 am »
 
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« Reply #2306 on: December 06, 2020, 06:13:05 am »
Trudeau gov is building a new facility in Montreal (surprise!) which was supposed to be ready in Nov, but now the gov says it's going to be ready in July.

more CPC/O'Fool misinformation - well done Gorgeous!

the 'new' facility was always estimated to complete by end of July, 2021. Upgrades to the existing facility were estimated to complete by 'late 2020, early 2021'. Your stated, "Montreal (surprise)" is only a "surprise" to purveyors of misinformation... like you Gorgeous! Ya see, upgrades intended as a so-called temporary stopgap, were to the existing National Research Council (NRC) facility in Montreal. The new facility is a replacement to the existing NRC facility... in Montreal!

with this recent posting emphasis on domestic capabilities: in a series of posts the waldo previously highlighted {Liberal} government funding & initiatives... with an emphasis on domestic manufacturing capability; specifically:

... in regards Canadian capabilities to produce vaccines... directly or under license:

as the world's first Phase 2 clinical trial, Canada's National Research Council (NRC) partnered with China's CanSino Biologics in developing the Ad5-nCoV vaccine leveraging NRC's proprietary 'HEC293 Cell Line'... which also included collaboration with the Canadian Immunization Research Network at the Canadian Center for Vaccinology. More pointedly, that collaboration allowed the NRC to advance a scale-up production process for the vaccine candidate; one relying upon Government of Canada funding to support upgrades to the NRC’s facilities in Montreal to enable compliance standards to ensure readiness for Canadian bioprocessing of potential vaccine candidates as they become available.

as I mentioned in an earlier Aug 17 post, this latest announcement is over and above the financial support the Government of Canada initially provided for upgrades to the existing NRC Royalmount Avenue biomanufacturing facility in Montréal; specifically, upgrades to complete in late 2020/early 2021. As for today's latest announcement concerning a new NRC facility... with a completion timeline must sooner than your stated 'will take two years (hopefully)' period; specifically:

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now, as can happen... construction shyte can happen. As it turns out, the upgrade to the smaller existing NRC facility, intended as a temporary stopgap measure with an estimated capability to produce 250,000 doses a month, proved to be a more difficult undertaking than originally estimated. Accordingly a decision was made to stop the upgrade to the existing smaller structure and concentrate entirely on the new significantly larger replacement facility - one with an estimated capability to produce millions of doses per month.

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Re: Covid Culture (was Outbreak Culture)
« Reply #2307 on: December 06, 2020, 09:22:38 am »
This government's COVID procurement has been an embarrassing disaster.
That said, there is barely a government on the planet who didn't screw something up in this pandemic.  Some worse than other's and we could have done worse.

In any case you could tell Trudeau was an **** 2 days into his 1st election after he hadn't pull the plug on the Saudi arms deal. Two days is all the benefit of doubt he got from me.

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« Reply #2308 on: December 06, 2020, 01:20:25 pm »
This is good, but when will they be shipped?

We were never going to get vaccines as fast as countries that developed their own, like US and UK, but we still screwed up, we dropped the ball and signed contracts late.  To lessen the blow, Trudeau told Canadians that we don't have any domestic vaccine production.  Which is a lie, we just don't have the facilities to produce these specific COVID-19 vaccines because the tech is new and never before used.

Trudeau gov is building a new facility in Montreal (surprise!) which was supposed to be ready in Nov, but now the gov says it's going to be ready in July.

This government's COVID procurement has been an embarrassing disaster.  They gave away many tons of PPE to China in Feb, failed to secure vaccine contracts in a timely manner, and have failed in their timelines to build a new gov vaccine production facility.  ???
https://www.thestar.com/politics/2020/11/25/bloc-leader-slams-trudeau-over-unacceptable-handling-of-covid-19-vaccine-orders.html

https://calgaryherald.com/opinion/columnists/corbella-7

So, in addition to the Moderna chairman saying that Canada is at the front of the line, we now have BoiNtech saying that vaccines for Canada have already been produced, and that all advanced order countries will get equitable allotment.

The slides from June earlier in this thread also show Canada as one of the first 5 countries in negotiations with Pfizer
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« Reply #2309 on: December 06, 2020, 02:14:29 pm »
So, in addition to the Moderna chairman saying that Canada is at the front of the line, we now have BoiNtech saying that vaccines for Canada have already been produced, and that all advanced order countries will get equitable allotment.

The slides from June earlier in this thread also show Canada as one of the first 5 countries in negotiations with Pfizer

oh snap! That certainly shines a light on the CPC/O'Fool misinformation... and purveyors of same... like member Gorgeous!  ;D

Quote from: Sean Marett, chief business and chief commercial officer for BioNTech
Once Canada approves the Pfizer rollout, the vaccine could ship within 24 hours. Certainly from the discussions that we've had, Canada is in a good position to approve the vaccine shortly. Upon approval, we then release the vaccine and then it is shipped. We've already produced the vaccine and reserved doses for Canada.

the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine candidate could receive approval from Health Canada as soon as this coming week. Health regulators are currently reviewing three other vaccines produced by Moderna, AstraZeneca and Jannsen.
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