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« Reply #2025 on: October 29, 2020, 05:14:14 pm »
 
Quote from: U.S. President Trump whining about press coverage
All you hear is Covid, Covid, Covid, Covid, Covid.

Canada => 228,079 cases & 10,082 deaths

U.S. => 8.9 million cases & 227,663 deaths.


Canada's total caseload ~ U.S. death toll

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« Reply #2026 on: October 29, 2020, 05:18:45 pm »

Canada => 228,079 cases & 10,082 deaths

U.S. => 8.9 million cases & 227,663 deaths.


Canada's total caseload ~ U.S. death toll

They hav 8.7X the population, but 22.6X the number of deaths.   So, I think it’s safe to conclude that the USA is doing three times as bad with deaths.

But let’s not get smug....   if Canada decides to take a soft approach to this and make soft recommendations hoping to “spare the economy” or whatever the goal is, or if the populace becomes complacent, we will quickly be just as bad.
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« Reply #2027 on: October 29, 2020, 05:36:24 pm »
The jury still isn't in for the US on their death rate.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

But a couple of days with totals to 1000 is an indication of trouble. And today's looks like it will be roughly a thousand. It's enough to keep Trump on the hook for his malfeasance but not enough to sink him completely yet. The next few days before the elction are super critical.

All of that of course providing that the books aren't being cooked for either Trump or Biden?
Cooked? You mean sorta like some shadowy figure(s) flipping spatulas as opposed to pulling strings?  ::)
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« Reply #2028 on: October 29, 2020, 11:45:49 pm »
They hav 8.7X the population, but 22.6X the number of deaths.   So, I think it’s safe to conclude that the USA is doing three times as bad with deaths.

But let’s not get smug....   if Canada decides to take a soft approach to this and make soft recommendations hoping to “spare the economy” or whatever the goal is, or if the populace becomes complacent, we will quickly be just as bad.


Not to be hating on Quebec, but our nation within our nation highly skews our COVID numbers.  Quebec is looking at 735 deaths/million which is very close to the US (705 per million). 

They started off on the wrong foot with spring break and always had more cases, but they also were the first to open up, allowed bigger capacity events which led to superspreader events and generally are more lax (or as they excuse it, they're just more social).   ::)

Take Quebec out of the equation and ROC is at ~130 death/million.  Not even comparable to the US. 

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« Reply #2029 on: October 30, 2020, 12:02:45 am »

Not to be hating on Quebec, but our nation within our nation highly skews our COVID numbers.  Quebec is looking at 735 deaths/million which is very close to the US (705 per million). 

They started off on the wrong foot with spring break and always had more cases, but they also were the first to open up, allowed bigger capacity events which led to superspreader events and generally are more lax (or as they excuse it, they're just more social).   ::)

Take Quebec out of the equation and ROC is at ~130 death/million.  Not even comparable to the US.

You can’t start deleting the highs and only keeping the lows.   That’s biased.  We’re a nation.  Those are national numbers. 
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« Reply #2030 on: October 30, 2020, 12:12:13 am »
You can’t start deleting the highs and only keeping the lows.   That’s biased.  We’re a nation.  Those are national numbers.

I don't think it's biased, it's looking at things more regionally.  I rarely look at the numbers for the US as a whole, it's meaningless to me.  I go into the metadata about the different regions and states.  Those numbers paint a better picture of what's going on in the country.

This is especially true in Canada since healthcare is a provincial issue. 

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« Reply #2031 on: October 30, 2020, 12:55:32 am »
Last I heard, there were 24 active cases here in the Kim City/Lost Lake health region and all of them were connected with schools here in town.   I believe that we are still in a position that all new cases in the region can be traced back to known cases.

We are just on the cusp of flu season.  I have heard some people claim that flu cases are down 95% this year. Some are even claiming that flu cases are being misdiagnosed on purpose, to inflate covid numbers.   That's bullshit, but the "plandemic" kooks are pushing it.

It's too early to say how much flu numbers will be down compared to a typical year, but I am certain they will be down significantly.  Masks, social distancing, and frequent sanitizing will put a big dent in flu numbers.

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« Reply #2032 on: October 30, 2020, 10:18:44 am »
This is going to be a rough winter.

Wife and kid came down with the cold this week. Had to get them tested. Can't just stay home with a sick kid unless you can prove it's not COVID.

There's no "It's just a cold" anymore.

We've seen break-outs happen because people thought it was just a cold.

Getting sick with a cold, covid or the flu, probably shouldn't be happening at all since they're all comparably transmissible and we're all supposed to be engaging in behaviour that reduces infection. Lesson learned.

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Re: Covid Culture (was Outbreak Culture)
« Reply #2033 on: October 30, 2020, 11:40:07 am »

Flu being down is logical due to people taking precautions due to Covid. Exactly what we should have expected.

US deaths are consistently hitting a thousand a day now.

For a population of 330 million in the US, can anyone say what an acceptable number of deaths would be for any communicable disease? Their experience on the Flu each year would serve as an indicator.

It's beginning to look like the current level of precautions being observed in the US now is maintaining a pretty constant one thousand death toll per day. If precautions are relaxed after their election on the basis of many people most likely wearing masks for political reasons, what will happen then.

The level of 2000 to 2500 a day may be reached very quickly! As was the case before precautions started to be observed.

It's almost certainly going to be an exciting ride for them.
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« Reply #2034 on: October 30, 2020, 12:26:33 pm »
If Trump gets re-elected we'll definitely see more deaths.

He'll see it as a mandate to ignore the disease.
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Re: Covid Culture (was Outbreak Culture)
« Reply #2035 on: October 30, 2020, 12:35:14 pm »
If Trump gets re-elected we'll definitely see more deaths.

He'll see it as a mandate to ignore the disease.

Interesting you think so. After the election, Trump's main motivation on playing it down won't be a factor anymore. Wouldn't that result in him turning it all over the the professional medical community?

I think there might be quite a few Biden supporters abandoning the precautions, and especially the masks.

They're all Americans and are quire unpredictable when the politics are taken out of the equation.
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« Reply #2036 on: October 30, 2020, 12:38:56 pm »
If Trump gets re-elected we'll definitely see more deaths.

He'll see it as a mandate to ignore the disease.
It’s up to people to practice personal responsibility by following the guidelines.  Wearing masks, washing hands, avoiding large gatherings.  It’s not up to anyone else, nor can anyone else stop the spread of the virus.  Regardless, presidents don’t have the authority to close down states, or open up states.  You covid obsession is ridiculous.
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« Reply #2037 on: October 30, 2020, 12:41:58 pm »
It’s up to people to practice personal responsibility by following the guidelines.

now do Trump's insistence in having superSpreaderRallies... where his cult members are jam-packed, shoulder-to-shoulder, no masks... for long extended periods, shouting loudly (& proudly)! Now do that!
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Re: Covid Culture (was Outbreak Culture)
« Reply #2038 on: October 30, 2020, 12:55:46 pm »
It’s up to people to practice personal responsibility by following the guidelines.  Wearing masks, washing hands, avoiding large gatherings.  It’s not up to anyone else, nor can anyone else stop the spread of the virus.  Regardless, presidents don’t have the authority to close down states, or open up states.  You covid obsession is ridiculous.

Sure, but it's up to government to give direction to the people and even moreso in the US where the president is elevated to the station of their god.

That's the reason why Trump needs to shoulder so much of the blame for their horrible plight with the virus. Just imagine if Trudeau suggested that Canadians should stop taking precautions.

Trump has done that but the facts on the virus finally became too powerful to ignore any longer.
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« Reply #2039 on: October 30, 2020, 02:07:44 pm »
It’s up to people to practice personal responsibility by following the guidelines.  Wearing masks, washing hands, avoiding large gatherings.  It’s not up to anyone else, nor can anyone else stop the spread of the virus.  Regardless, presidents don’t have the authority to close down states, or open up states.  You covid obsession is ridiculous.
The problem here is that practicing personal responsibility conflicts with having a normal economy - to such an extent that the advise to wear masks is considered authoritarian, being told to wash your hands is social engineering and that preventing large gatherings is unconstitutional.

Your advise is as insincere as when you state that the vulnerable need to be protected while telling them to go hide in their basements.
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