Canadian Politics Today

I don’t, that’s point I’m trying to make. We don’t know which of the vaccine types will be most successful so we should have positions in all the most likely.

how did I misunderstand ya, hey! How did I misunderstand your intent? 

While Trudeau was having another Kumbaya moment preaching equal distribution of vaccines, other countries have been pro active ensuring their supplies. Canada did nothing.

which, of course, also didn't stop you beaking off and showcasing your lack of full understanding in regards Canadian capabilities to produce vaccines... directly or under license:

It's a poor reflection on Canada that it can't even produce vaccines under license. I'm not being political because all our governments have allowed that to happen.

We have very little capability to produce vaccines in Canada, licensed or otherwise. Our own pharmaceutical companies produce their stuff outside the country, including in the US. Maybe even in Mexico and Argentina.

as the world's first Phase 2 clinical trial, Canada's National Research Council (NRC) partnered with China's CanSino Biologics in developing the Ad5-nCoV vaccine leveraging NRC's proprietary 'HEC293 Cell Line'... which also included collaboration with the Canadian Immunization Research Network at the Canadian Center for Vaccinology. More pointedly, that collaboration allowed the NRC to advance a scale-up production process for the vaccine candidate; one relying upon Government of Canada funding to support upgrades to the NRC’s facilities in Montreal to enable compliance standards to ensure readiness for Canadian bioprocessing of potential vaccine candidates as they become available.

no worries member wilber! For now, CanSino Biologics is still moving ahead with Phase 3 trials... starting with Russia ... with ongoing talks to extend Phase 3 trials in Saudi Arabia, Brazil & Chile.

in any case, a summary status accounting of Health Canada's direct designs on potential clinical trials in Canada:

member wilber, the status snapshot of Health Canada authorizations includes 4 references... you can take your foot off the CanSino pedal just a tad, hey! 

BC cases are spiking but it's nice to see leadership in action.  Horgan reached out to Ryan Reynolds on social media and Ryan actually took him up on it!! 

I feel so much safer now.  I bet all those 20-39 year olds are really going to stop and think hard about it now that Ryan said something.

Exactly - Deadpool to the rescue! 

 

In all honesty, it's a cute publicity stunt but I wish they'd take more effective measures.

But what kind of measures?  The outbreak events we've had recently in BC-- the giant house party in Kelowna in early July, big parties and raves in the Lower Mainland more recently... they're hard to stop without doing something controversial.   Businesses you can regulate, you can patrol parks and beaches, but how do you stop people from having a big house party?  By the time the neighbors call the police, it's already too late to stop dozens of people from sharing their germs.

Social distancing required buy-in from people, and lots of people have gotten tired of it. The shelf life has been reached. People are starting to tune out, especially young people who are least likely to suffer serious health consequences.

Social distancing had strong buy-in early on. "Let's shut everything down and stop this thing so that we can get back to normal!"  Almost everybody was doing their part. Now? Not so much.  A lot of people thought it might be a few months. The finish line keeps moving farther back. "Maybe a few months" ... "Maybe September"... "Maybe early 2021..."  "maybe ...after the vaccine arrives." Now Dr Tam is telling us that social distancing is going to have to continue for 2-3 years even after the vaccine is available.

People were on board when they thought we were talking about a few months, and that was several months ago and now it's looking like social distancing is with us until at least 2023 or 2024, and buy-in is dying out. Especially among young people, because if you're 18 or 20 or 22, telling them this will last until 2024 might as well be telling them to wait forever.

So you can plead with people to cooperate for longer, and they're more likely to listen to Deadpool than to Dr Henry or Adrian Dix. But they won't cooperate forever, no matter who asks.  So what else can you do?

 -k

But what kind of measures?  The outbreak events we've had recently in BC-- the giant house party in Kelowna in early July, big parties and raves in the Lower Mainland more recently... they're hard to stop without doing something controversial.   Businesses you can regulate, you can patrol parks and beaches, but how do you stop people from having a big house party?  By the time the neighbors call the police, it's already too late to stop dozens of people from sharing their germs.

How about locking down the party? The only way out is with a negative COVID test. By all means airlift in whatever beer, food and party faves it takes to get thru in the meantime and let em' boogie till they puke.

Social distancing required buy-in from people, and lots of people have gotten tired of it. The shelf life has been reached. People are starting to tune out, especially young people who are least likely to suffer serious health consequences.

Social distancing had strong buy-in early on. "Let's shut everything down and stop this thing so that we can get back to normal!"  Almost everybody was doing their part. Now? Not so much.  A lot of people thought it might be a few months. The finish line keeps moving farther back. "Maybe a few months" ... "Maybe September"... "Maybe early 2021..."  "maybe ...after the vaccine arrives." Now Dr Tam is telling us that social distancing is going to have to continue for 2-3 years even after the vaccine is available.

People were on board when they thought we were talking about a few months, and that was several months ago and now it's looking like social distancing is with us until at least 2023 or 2024, and buy-in is dying out. Especially among young people, because if you're 18 or 20 or 22, telling them this will last until 2024 might as well be telling them to wait forever.

So you can plead with people to cooperate for longer, and they're more likely to listen to Deadpool than to Dr Henry or Adrian Dix. But they won't cooperate forever, no matter who asks.  So what else can you do?

 -k

I was thinking some sort of demographic distancing and extending the practice of stores to open up for seniors throughout the rest of society as far as possible but I know lot's of people my age who are as stupid as posts to so age is not a reliable determinate. That said if polls on Canadian attitudes are anything to go by it sounds like there are still way more people who do care that don't so I suggest the Covidiots get every third day to run around and do their thing and we get the rest.

How do you tell us apart though? The only thing worse than a Zombie Apocalypse is one where you can't tell who the zombies are making everyone a suspect. 

Faced with the choice between continuing to do as they're told for the sake of an outcome that increasingly seems far off or uncertain, or doing as they wish for immediate gratification, many young people are opting for immediate gratification.

Telling young people that this would only last for a few months worked, for a while, but we're long past a few months into this. Telling young people that it might take until 2023 or 2024 before they can go have parties with their friends and so-on... we might as well have told them it might be 2030 or 2040.

It was ridiculous to imagine that young people would cooperate with social distancing for months on end or years.


 -k

My father spent four years overseas during WW2 without seeing his family. He was in his twenties and one of millions.

No one said this would only last a few months. It was said that it would take months to reopen, no one said we would be back to normal.

Young people have gotten tired of cooperating and being patient.  And it was obvious from the start that this was going to happen eventually.

So what would people have the province do about it?   Begging? Pleading? More celebrities?  Or something more firm, something that's unavoidably going to cause controversy and confrontation?

 -k

Act like a child, expect to be treated like one. It is not a good comment on young people when their commitment to something so serious can be so short. We should all give  up because the kids gotta party. It will make them hard to take seriously on other issues.