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Offline wilber

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« Reply #1680 on: June 02, 2020, 05:19:03 pm »
So quick to criticize China. Now how about Trump who also lied/ignored the issue.

He did but Canada was asleep at the switch as well.
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« Reply #1681 on: June 02, 2020, 05:34:19 pm »
He did but Canada was asleep at the switch as well.
Exactly.  Canada didn’t act any sooner.  In fact, Trudeau acted a few weeks after Trump every step of the way.
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« Reply #1682 on: June 02, 2020, 05:35:03 pm »
He did but Canada was asleep at the switch as well.

True enough. I think we all got caught off guard by this thing.
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« Reply #1683 on: June 02, 2020, 05:39:11 pm »
True enough. I think we all got caught off guard by this thing.
Yes, in large part due to China.  Had they been honest, sooner, the world would’ve had more time to act.
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« Reply #1684 on: June 02, 2020, 05:47:26 pm »
Exactly.  Canada didn’t act any sooner.  In fact, Trudeau acted a few weeks after Trump every step of the way.

Ya got it wrong again shady. Try harder.

But while political systems are important, effective leadership in times of emergency can be even more critical. However lethargic Mr. Trudeau has appeared at times since the October election, the Prime Minister has performed well this week, despite being forced to work from home after his wife Sophie Grégoire Trudeau tested positive for the virus. Cabinet ministers, especially Health Minister Patty Hajdu, have handled their files well.

Contrast that with Mr. Trump’s efforts to play down the pandemic. In public announcements, the U.S. President seeks only to cast blame on others and to praise himself. By his actions, he has contributed to crucial delays in testing that allowed the virus to spread.

On Friday, Mr. Trump finally declared a national emergency, freeing up relief funding and ramping up testing procedures. But the United States is well behind many other countries, including Canada.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-pay-attention-trump-trudeaus-coronavirus-response-is-a-lesson-in/

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« Reply #1685 on: June 02, 2020, 07:10:16 pm »
Interesting article. This guy doesn't think police officers are any more racist than any other group. The problem is the society and system they operate in.

https://www.vox.com/identities/2020/6/2/21276799/george-floyd-protest-criminal-justice-paul-butler
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« Reply #1686 on: June 02, 2020, 07:44:10 pm »
Interesting article. This guy doesn't think police officers are any more racist than any other group. The problem is the society and system they operate in.

https://www.vox.com/identities/2020/6/2/21276799/george-floyd-protest-criminal-justice-paul-butler

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« Reply #1687 on: June 02, 2020, 08:20:18 pm »
Big news!

Recordings of internal WHO meetings show officials complained about the lack of coronavirus data from China in January — at a time when the outbreak might arguably have been dramatically slowed, the @AP has found.

So despite what some China apologists will continue to tell you in this forum, it's complete bullsh*t!  China lied, people died.  There's no debate about it.

clearly! With a bold-highlighted 18pt font... "Big news"!

member Shady, does this mean your boy Trumpy will stop his attacks against the WHO... even pulling back the stated intent to terminate any U.S. relationship with the WHO? In the middle of a bloody pandemic no less, hey member Shady!  ;D

wait now member Shady, what about those prior posts in this thread that presented Trump... in his own words... praising China/President Xi => 15 times Trump praised China as coronavirus was spreading across the globe

and, per norm, you want to distract from Trump's full month of dithering... worse than dithering - downplaying, denying, ignoring, lying => Trump lied, people died!. More to the point: U.S. intelligence agencies repeatedly presented Trump with information/data concerning China/virus... as early as the first days in January... and Trump blew it all off! Trump lied, people died!

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« Reply #1688 on: June 02, 2020, 08:20:40 pm »
Big news!

Recordings of internal WHO meetings show officials complained about the lack of coronavirus data from China in January — at a time when the outbreak might arguably have been dramatically slowed, the @AP has found.

So despite what some China apologists will continue to tell you in this forum, it's complete bullsh*t!  China lied, people died.  There's no debate about it.

of course, being the parrot and TrumpToady that you are, you trumpet yet another "Big news" declaration without regard to the fact its most salient point of criticism has already been made... been presented... by the waldo (several times now in prior posts) - you know, your favourite labeled "China apologist". Your claimed "Big news" supposedly brings the heat with this summary statement: "AP’s latest report discovered that Chinese officials waited six days to warn the public of a potential coronavirus outbreak."

member Shady, again, when you're playing the parrot and labeling others as apologists, the waldo has been consistent with a focus on science and the work being done by the global network of scientists... and yes, led by Chinese scientists. Again, as previously posted:

note: as I continue to emphasize, as an example, this following prior post has a scientific perspective; one extending upon and separating itself from the overt politicization underway - scientists in the know/leading the way.

I've provided several prior posts that included actual timeline events of note/significance... factual based! This following prior post has a scientific perspective; one extending upon and separating itself from the overt politicization underway - scientists in the know/leading the way.

China was slammed for initial COVID-19 secrecy, but its scientists led the way in tackling the virus

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The accusation that the Chinese government delayed in letting the world know about the COVID-19 outbreak has become a political weapon in countries including the US, the UK and Canada.

But China’s scientists have won international praise for hitting several key milestones in understanding the novel, fast-moving virus.

Chinese leaders were seen as slow to react to the outbreak that began in the city of Wuhan, suppressing information and even punishing those who raised the alarm.

There was an early cover up in Wuhan, perhaps a few days to a week, before the threat was accepted. We will never know if faster action in those first days could have averted the outbreak,” said Ian Jones, professor of biomedical sciences at Reading University.

Despite the initial slow reaction from the government, “There has been a very open dialogue [since] and many research findings from the Chinese experience are now appearing,” says Jones.

In January, a team led by Yong-Zhen Zhang, of the Shanghai Public Health Clinical Centre & School of Public Health, published the initial viral genome on two open-access sites, drawing praise for the swiftest sequencing effort ever. Later that month, Chinese doctors and scientists reported the first description of the new disease in the Lancet medical journal.

“Under immense pressure, as the epidemic exploded around them, they took time to write up their findings in a foreign language and seek publication in a medical journal thousands of miles away. Their rapid and rigorous work was an urgent warning to the world. We owe those scientists enormous thanks,” said Richard Horton, Lancet editor.

At the University of Hong Kong, researchers are developing a COVID-19 vaccine, novel screening agents, diagnostic tests and models of infection to trace the source and help prevent future occurrences.

“[We] were among the first teams in the world to produce a detailed cluster report, epidemiology report, electron microscope images and mathematical model of the potential spread of the virus,” said Zhang Xiang, president and vice-chancellor of the university. “Most Hong Kong residents still remember the experience of living through SARS in 2003, several instances of avian influenza, MERS, and now COVID-19.”

Any disagreements over how countries have managed the epidemic has not trickled down into labs, says Michael Head, a senior research fellow in global health in the University of Southampton. “Whilst there will always be the politics of mistrust, I think, broadly, we’re seeing reasonable cooperation between China and elsewhere,” he said.

“The Chinese have been leading the way in publishing open-access evidence on case management, genomics and numerous areas of public health and epidemiology, which has been vital in informing the response in more or less every country
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« Reply #1689 on: June 02, 2020, 08:27:53 pm »
True enough. I think we all got caught off guard by this thing.

Did we? Australia banned flights from China on February 1. Canada has never banned them, there are still 7 direct flights a week from HKG to YVR.
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« Reply #1690 on: June 02, 2020, 08:53:50 pm »
Did we? Australia banned flights from China on February 1. Canada has never banned them, there are still 7 direct flights a week from HKG to YVR.

I'm certainly glad not to be couped up in planes any more these days.


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« Reply #1691 on: June 03, 2020, 09:16:35 am »
I'm certainly glad not to be couped up in planes any more these days.

Did you mean 'cooped' ?

Or 'couped' ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mini_Coupe


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« Reply #1692 on: June 03, 2020, 11:25:26 am »
Did you mean 'cooped' ?

Or 'couped' ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mini_Coupe



Spelling was never my forte but I did coop myself up in one of these now and then a few years back.



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« Reply #1693 on: June 03, 2020, 11:43:45 am »
of course, being the parrot and TrumpToady that you are, you trumpet yet another "Big news" declaration without regard to the fact its most salient point of criticism has already been made... been presented... by the waldo (several times now in prior posts) - you know, your favourite labeled "China apologist". Your claimed "Big news" supposedly brings the heat with this summary statement: "AP’s latest report discovered that Chinese officials waited six days to warn the public of a potential coronavirus outbreak."

member Shady, again, when you're playing the parrot and labeling others as apologists, the waldo has been consistent with a focus on science and the work being done by the global network of scientists... and yes, led by Chinese scientists. Again, as previously posted:
Your post is complete revisionist history.  The only thing you've been consistent about are the excuses and defence of the Chinese regime.

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« Reply #1694 on: June 03, 2020, 11:51:10 am »
Your post is complete revisionist history.  The only thing you've been consistent about are the excuses and defence of the Chinese regime.
How come the Russia defenders always deflect to China?
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