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Explosion’ Feared Amid Full Meltdown of Gaza’s Economy
A standoff between Hamas and the Palestinian Authority is ravaging Gaza’s economy, pushing it to the verge of collapse, and escalating the risk of a violent confrontation with Israel.
There would seem to be an easy way to prevent this calamity; end the war. Or is that only a slogan directed at Western democracies? Both Gaza and the Palestinian Authority seem to have gotten a lot of help over the years from the U.N., many countries and many people. Where have the construction materials gone? To build hospitals and schools? No. Terror tunnels need a lot of concrete. And these are not the kinds of tunnels that take E-zpass or SunPass.

Just imagine. Guitar-strumming peace advocates could calm the frayed people of the people. As Pete Seeger asks of warmongers, "when will they ever learn"? Or

Bob Dylan answers "the answer my friend is blowin' in the wind." Or "imagine all the people living life in peace."

The wealthy oil producing countries could provide aid. Heck, with their navigable coasts they should be doing a brisk trade and tourism business. But I guess asking them to stop the war against Israel, well, that's asking too much
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But I guess asking them to stop the war against Israel, well, that's asking too much

Apparently so.....   then again, so is taking people’s land and forcibly removing them from it. 


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Elsewhere in the Middle East people have left for new countries by the millions. But Palestinians are apparently dead set on living in an area that some of them have never even set foot on.  Maybe they should just decide to find someplace else and start new.  Pretty much everybody here is the descendant of somebody who said "man, this place sucks. Let's pack up and leave,"  so I know that you can all relate.  Wouldn't that be better than condemng their lives and however many generations afterward to be spent quarreling over a pretty mediocre piece of land?

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Elsewhere in the Middle East people have left for new countries by the millions. But Palestinians are apparently dead set on living in an area that some of them have never even set foot on.

Can’t the exact same thing be said about the Jews?

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Maybe they should just decide to find someplace else and start new.  Pretty much everybody here is the descendant of somebody who said "man, this place sucks. Let's pack up and leave,"  so I know that you can all relate.  Wouldn't that be better than condemng their lives and however many generations afterward to be spent quarreling over a pretty mediocre piece of land?

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If someone told me “leave Canada, we’re here now”, I’d probably say “no” and show them the end of a barrel....   that’s probably why the place needs a peaceful, multi-state solution to their bullshit religious/political nonsense. 

Or nuke ‘em all and let God/Allah sort it out... 

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The idea of a "country" is starting to fall apart, and that is what it might take to get these two groups to stop fighting.

Nation-state is not exactly an old concept...

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The idea of a "country" is starting to fall apart, and that is what it might take to get these two groups to stop fighting.

Nation-state is not exactly an old concept...
That idea is falling apart in the mind of some of the elite. It is very much alive for people like the Jews who are at a severe disadvantage with the tyranny of the majority.
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That idea is falling apart in the mind of some of the elite. It is very much alive for people like the Jews who are at a severe disadvantage with the tyranny of the majority.

The Jews are doing a lot better than a lot of minorities.  The idea of religious persecution and minority rights is firmly planted in the consciousness of progressive/rich countries. 

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Apparently so.....   then again, so is taking people’s land and forcibly removing them from it.
It was largely bought from the people that owned it.
Elsewhere in the Middle East people have left for new countries by the millions. But Palestinians are apparently dead set on living in an area that some of them have never even set foot on.  Maybe they should just decide to find someplace else and start new.  Pretty much everybody here is the descendant of somebody who said "man, this place sucks. Let's pack up and leave,"  so I know that you can all relate.  Wouldn't that be better than condemng their lives and however many generations afterward to be spent quarreling over a pretty mediocre piece of land?

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It sure would but that's no fun for leaders whose psychic glory and the size of their Swiss bank accounts depends on having a cause to flak. Also their culture is one of desert warriors. Violence is hard-wired for a lot of reasons.
Can’t the exact same thing be said about the Jews?
Exactly. That is why they left Europe, less a voluntary move but they did. They could have, I guess, turned the DP camps at the end of WWII into terror bases like the Arabs have chosen to do.

If someone told me “leave Canada, we’re here now”, I’d probably say “no” and show them the end of a barrel....   that’s probably why the place needs a peaceful, multi-state solution to their bullshit religious/political nonsense. 

Or nuke ‘em all and let God/Allah sort it out...
That was offered with the severance of Transjordan, now Jordan, in 1922 or 1923, the Peel Commission in 1937, the very similar U.N. Partition in 1947 and last but not least by Bill Clinton in 2000.  Each time, the hangup was the Arab insistence on being allowed to overrun the Jewish "part" of the partition. These are two excerpts from an August 15, 1948 article from the New York Times where Arab leaders, in this case Jamal el-Husseini, a then-important Arab leader, and Faris el-Khouri, the Syrian delegate to the United Nations.
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Mr. el-Husseini said he expected 'that Palestine warfare would "re-commence," and that "it would be fought until our objectives are achieved." . . Ruling out the possibility of compromise, he said that "no matter what concessions we receive, we could not compromise on the question of a Jewish state." "Nor could we compromise." he went on, "our attitude on immigration." Mr. el-Husseini.

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Emphasizing the Arabs' determination to wage war against Israel, Mr. el-Husseini observed: "A thousand years ago our forefathers fought for 100 years at the time of the Crusades to drive out the foreigners, and we can do it again." Asked whether he agreed with Mr. el-Husseini's prediction that warfare would begin again, Mr. el-Khouri said he "believed the same thing." "The adamant position of the Jews cannot be settled within the framework of the truce," the Syrian representative declared.
These are more frank and honest words for the true Arab position that Yasir Arafat and more current Arab leaders have more recently expressed.
The Jews are doing a lot better than a lot of minorities.  The idea of religious persecution and minority rights is firmly planted in the consciousness of progressive/rich countries.
The problem is that the Jews have had a lot of "Golden Ages" from which everything turns to shet. The U.S., Canada and Australia are hopefully exceptions since these countries were conceived as non-sectarian countries, Quebec being the obvious exception. But over two-thousand years of problems leaves us naturally wary and unwilling to totally trust the kindness of strangers.
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Can’t the exact same thing be said about the Jews?

Given that Israel is the world's only Jewish homeland, that's highly debatable. Consider the large number of people who moved to Israel because they were persecuted elsewhere.

If someone told me “leave Canada, we’re here now”, I’d probably say “no” and show them the end of a barrel....   that’s probably why the place needs a peaceful, multi-state solution to their bullshit religious/political nonsense. 

I'd try to resist being removed from my home as well, of course. But at this point people aren't resisting being evicted, they're trying to undo or avenge an eviction that happened 70 years ago. "You can't take my home!" is a somewhat different from "my great grandfather used to own this and I want it back!"

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It sure would but that's no fun for leaders whose psychic glory and the size of their Swiss bank accounts depends on having a cause to flak.

oh noooossss! Say it ain't so Bibi - say it ain't so.

Israeli police find 'sufficient evidence' to indict Benjamin Netanyahu
--- https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/13/middleeast/israel-police-netanyahu/index.html


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