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Offline Michael Hardner

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Re: New Zealand Mosque Shooting
« Reply #75 on: March 19, 2019, 06:14:04 am »
Overall no, but in terms of discrimination we're seeing more and more whites and men being discriminated against via structural policies, like university admissions, jobs...including at the country's largest employer (federal government).

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It will be nice when nobody cares about someone's race or gender anymore, and just judge everyone based on their merits & character.  That could take decades still, but their will still be outliers.

Affirmative action is not discriminatory in my book, just an effort to address historic disadvantages ... if you have another way to do it let me know.  My experience is that mandated change works faster than waiting for goodwill to happen.

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Re: New Zealand Mosque Shooting
« Reply #76 on: March 19, 2019, 08:56:08 am »
Affirmative action is not discriminatory in my book, just an effort to address historic disadvantages ... if you have another way to do it let me know.  My experience is that mandated change works faster than waiting for goodwill to happen.

Choosing somebody for a job specifically because they're white or male over a visible minority or woman is considered discrimination, but choosing somebody for a job specifically because they're a visible minority or woman over a white or male is not considered discrimination.  I don't get that.

The problem is, by what metric are these affirmative action quotas made?  How do you set the quotas?  What imbalance is due to discrimination?  Many argue there's discrimination in STEM fields.  Well it's likely more to do with preference.  Never met too many women interested in computer programming, however the majority of medical school students are now women, and there's more female grads in family medicine and psychiatry etc, because women like helping people: https://news.aamc.org/press-releases/article/applicant-enrollment-2017/

If you can prove discrimination is happening, and eliminate all other variables, and then set a specific quota based on how many minorities/women would roughly be hired if no discrimination existed, then i'd be fine with AA.
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Re: New Zealand Mosque Shooting
« Reply #77 on: March 19, 2019, 09:08:59 am »
Not sure its that simple. the alleged inspiration by Trump seem more an editorial comment by press with an agenda. His actual words make it clear this guy is more of a left wing loon when it comes to economics:
https://medium.com/the-radical-center/the-demented-politics-of-the-new-zealand-terrorist-b513fe610b2f

At some point people need to be stop trying to exploit these tragedies for political gain. The people who do these kinds of things are severity ill and trying to create rational logic out of their belief systems so you can tar your political opponents is wrong headed and counter productive.

Agree. He is a loon period.
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Re: New Zealand Mosque Shooting
« Reply #78 on: March 19, 2019, 09:14:28 am »
You think praising Trump as well as the likes of Anders Breivik for their anti-immigration stances makes him a "left wing loon"? Try again.

It doesn't make him right wing either. You claim it's not right to call terrorists Muslims when they claim they are but you have no problem calling them right wing and slurring all right wingers. That makes you a two face on the issue. He is no Morecambe rightc winter than he is a left winger. His extreme views could be both which was Tim's s point.

You of course being a supporter of Lavalin and Trudeau and Ghaddafi are in the position to know what is left and right.
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« Reply #79 on: March 19, 2019, 11:11:47 am »
It doesn't make him right wing either. You claim it's not right to call terrorists Muslims when they claim they are but you have no problem calling them right wing and slurring all right wingers. That makes you a two face on the issue. He is no Morecambe rightc winter than he is a left winger. His extreme views could be both which was Tim's s point.

You of course being a supporter of Lavalin and Trudeau and Ghaddafi are in the position to know what is left and right.

Apparently you are the one not in a position to know what is left and right if you don't understand which side White supremacists hail from.

Ghaddafi! funny!

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« Reply #80 on: March 19, 2019, 03:13:44 pm »
Well, for what it's worth, omni is a pretty ardent Ghaddafi supporter.

Just kidding.  :) (Rue that was a weird point, where did you come up with that?)
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Re: New Zealand Mosque Shooting
« Reply #81 on: March 19, 2019, 03:26:09 pm »
Well, for what it's worth, omni is a pretty ardent Ghaddafi supporter.

Just kidding.  :) (Rue that was a weird point, where did you come up with that?)

Yeah, can't wait to hear that response. Me and my buddy Muammar. I venture a guess it won't be another lengthy, boring screed.

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Re: New Zealand Mosque Shooting
« Reply #82 on: March 19, 2019, 08:38:38 pm »
It doesn't make him right wing either. You claim it's not right to call terrorists Muslims when they claim they are but you have no problem calling them right wing and slurring all right wingers. 

So does the existence of Stalin slur Justin Trudeau ?

Let's not fall into the pit here.  Just by his urge to shoot Muslims with many guns, we can say he's a far-right cuckoo-bird right ?

There are far-left cuckoo birds too but they bomb corporations, shoot at Republicans... like that.

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Re: New Zealand Mosque Shooting
« Reply #83 on: March 19, 2019, 09:07:07 pm »
So does the existence of Stalin slur Justin Trudeau ?

Let's not fall into the pit here.  Just by his urge to shoot Muslims with many guns, we can say he's a far-right cuckoo-bird right ?

There are far-left cuckoo birds too but they bomb corporations, shoot at Republicans... like that.

He sounds like a populist extremists if anything, in both the right and leftwing sense of the word.  His manifesto shows that.  It shouldn'y make any of us feel better to argue he's not on our side of the isle, 49 people are still dead.
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Re: New Zealand Mosque Shooting
« Reply #84 on: March 19, 2019, 09:09:41 pm »
He sounds like a populist extremists if anything, in both the right and leftwing sense of the word.  His manifesto shows that.  It shouldn'y make any of us feel better to argue he's not on our side of the isle, 49 people are still dead.

Meh. Guns.  Nationalism.  That's usually those guys.  I don't feel any need to create new mental space because he was a bit of a hip non-conforming killer. 

I also don't hold it against anybody right of centre.

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« Reply #85 on: March 21, 2019, 02:03:07 pm »
Six days after the NZ shootings the PM acts to severely tighten up gun laws including a ban on all semi-automatic weapons as well as restrictions on clip size.  Apparently they had gun laws similar to the US but didn't feel any need to change them, likely because they hadn't had kind of mass shooting for 22 years, when six were killed and the shooter was found not guilty by reason of insanity. I can imagine if (heaven forbid) 50 people were shot dead in one go in the US tomorrow, Trump would stumble around not sure what to do until Wayne LaPierre phoned him up and told him what to say and to emphasize how important that second amendment is to the profitability constitution of the country. And that would be that.

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Re: New Zealand Mosque Shooting
« Reply #86 on: March 22, 2019, 02:12:30 pm »
Priest stabbed during a live-televised mass in Montreal this morning.

For pete's sake, I hope this isn't a revenge killing for NZ.  Society doesn't need more tribal conflict.  The identity of the stabber hasn't been revealed yet.  Either way, luckily it was only a knife, which broke during the struggle, the priest is going to be ok.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/priest-stabbed-during-morning-mass-at-saint-joseph-s-oratory-1.5067335
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Re: New Zealand Mosque Shooting
« Reply #87 on: March 22, 2019, 03:18:46 pm »
I can't find any info on the assailant in Montreal other than 26 year old male known to police. No indication if it was terrorism, personal, or just a deranged individual.

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« Reply #88 on: March 22, 2019, 03:32:55 pm »
I can't find any info on the assailant in Montreal other than 26 year old male known to police. No indication if it was terrorism, personal, or just a deranged individual.

According to what I see in this video I would say he was the latter. Luckily he seems to just give up moments after his initial attack.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/montreal-priest-expected-to-survive-stabbing-at-st-joseph-s-oratory-1.4347482

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Re: New Zealand Mosque Shooting
« Reply #89 on: March 22, 2019, 03:37:28 pm »
According to what I see in this video I would say he was the latter. Luckily he seems to just give up moments after his initial attack.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/montreal-priest-expected-to-survive-stabbing-at-st-joseph-s-oratory-1.4347482

Was the NZ shooter just a deranged individual?  That was also a terror attack.  In Canada there's been other stabbings and non-gun violence in the name of ISIS etc. which were terrorism.

Let's all be thankful Canada has pretty good gun laws, and that we have a culture where most people don't have guns in their closets, and our hunters seem like otherwise good sane folks.
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