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Re: New Zealand Mosque Shooting
« Reply #90 on: March 22, 2019, 03:43:12 pm »
When you get people a bit off their rocker, and they get filled with anger and hate, bad things happen.  When they have access to guns, very bad things happen, and doubly with access to automatic weapons etc.  Canada has the right laws mostly, i'm so thankful.

We've had a soldier hit with a car in QC, a DND recruitment centre stabbing, an ISIS supporting lady go after people in Canadian Tire with a golf club, etc.  These could have been so much worse.  Same with the Parliament Hill shooting, had he used something deadlier than a hunting rifle.
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« Reply #91 on: March 22, 2019, 03:51:09 pm »
Was the NZ shooter just a deranged individual?  That was also a terror attack.  In Canada there's been other stabbings and non-gun violence in the name of ISIS etc. which were terrorism.

Let's all be thankful Canada has pretty good gun laws, and that we have a culture where most people don't have guns in their closets, and our hunters seem like otherwise good sane folks.

I guess it depends on your interpretation of "deranged". The NZ shooter was very focused, had published a lengthy, focused, even spell checked manifesto. Then carried out a clearly well planned murderous rampage. The Montreal guy seems more likely to simply need treatment for some mental issues. 

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« Reply #92 on: March 22, 2019, 03:55:01 pm »
When you get people a bit off their rocker, and they get filled with anger and hate, bad things happen.  When they have access to guns, very bad things happen, and doubly with access to automatic weapons etc.  Canada has the right laws mostly, i'm so thankful.

We've had a soldier hit with a car in QC, a DND recruitment centre stabbing, an ISIS supporting lady go after people in Canadian Tire with a golf club, etc.  These could have been so much worse.  Same with the Parliament Hill shooting, had he used something deadlier than a hunting rifle.

Note how quickly the NZ PM acted to institute new laws with regard to semi automatic weapons. Took her 6 days. I'm impressed.
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« Reply #93 on: March 22, 2019, 03:58:17 pm »
I guess it depends on your interpretation of "deranged".

Yes, one could argue that anyone carrying out murderous attacks are deranged. Perhaps our vocabulary needs to distinguish those who are capable of functioning in society (at a reasonable level), but commit these horrendous acts. It would be interesting to know what "known to police" refers to. What were his previous encounters with law enforcement.
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« Reply #94 on: March 22, 2019, 04:04:42 pm »
Yes, one could argue that anyone carrying out murderous attacks are deranged. Perhaps our vocabulary needs to distinguish those who are capable of functioning in society (at a reasonable level), but commit these horrendous acts. It would be interesting to know what "known to police" refers to. What were his previous encounters with law enforcement.

Yes the same question came to my mind. Time will tell.

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« Reply #95 on: March 22, 2019, 04:16:28 pm »
I guess it depends on your interpretation of "deranged". The NZ shooter was very focused, had published a lengthy, focused, even spell checked manifesto. Then carried out a clearly well planned murderous rampage. The Montreal guy seems more likely to simply need treatment for some mental issues.

Yeah i suppose.  Yes the NZ shooting seemed very premeditated, a stabbing like this doesn't seemed planned out, more like a crime of rage/passion.  He could have been deranged, but maybe not, who knows, sometimes rage can make ordinary and normally good people do very bad things. We'll see what info comes out.
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« Reply #96 on: March 22, 2019, 04:35:57 pm »
Note how quickly the NZ PM acted to institute new laws with regard to semi automatic weapons. Took her 6 days. I'm impressed.

I think if Obama could have done something like that, he would have.  But the POTUS can't table bills, only has veto power, can try to find a group big enough to pass it though, which takes time too if possible at all.  Plus the 2nd amendment means it has to get through the courts too.

Don't know the NZ political situation, but if it's like ours and her party has a majority you don't have the roadblocks.
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« Reply #97 on: March 22, 2019, 04:43:04 pm »
Don't know the NZ political situation, but if it's like ours and her party has a majority you don't have the roadblocks.

From what I understand, there has been widespread support in NZ from the opposition, and even outside groups like the Federated Farmers Rural Security expressed support.

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« Reply #98 on: March 22, 2019, 04:46:11 pm »
I think if Obama could have done something like that, he would have.  But the POTUS can't table bills, only has veto power, can try to find a group big enough to pass it though, which takes time too if possible at all.  Plus the 2nd amendment means it has to get through the courts too.

Don't know the NZ political situation, but if it's like ours and her party has a majority you don't have the roadblocks.

Americans seem to follow the Charlton Heston concept on guns. "from my cold dead hands" . Perhaps they all suffer a bit from Alzheimers.

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« Reply #99 on: March 22, 2019, 09:40:54 pm »
Americans seem to follow the Charlton Heston concept on guns. "from my cold dead hands" . Perhaps they all suffer a bit from Alzheimers.

LOL.  Well they have a very different history than a country like Canada.  They rebelled against British rule and were independent in 1776.  We only became independent in 1982.  They have always been far less trusting of government.  This defines the Republican Party ideology, it's very "American".

The 2nd amendment was to ensure a populace had a check on government in case it all went to **** again like 1776.  This was compatible in the 1700's and 1800's and some of the 1900's but gun technology has changed, but they refuse to.  It's sad.
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« Reply #100 on: March 23, 2019, 03:14:50 pm »
Attacker due in court today, but they still won't release his name/identity, or any inkling of a motive, which is odd, and I fear the worst.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/oratory-stabbing-court-1.5069094
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« Reply #101 on: March 23, 2019, 03:17:37 pm »
Attacker due in court today, but they still won't release his name/identity

Vlad Cristian Eremia, from the Notre Dame de Grāce borough. NDG is fairly large, but does include St. Joseph Oratory in it. He is an immigrant from Romania, although I can't find out how long he has been in Canada. He is 26 years old. He was charged with criminal harassment a couple of years ago, although no conviction. He declared bankruptcy in 2016 with more than $16,000 in debt.
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« Reply #102 on: March 23, 2019, 03:29:24 pm »
Thanks. Well the middle name seems to rule out him being a Muslim, unless he's a convert.  That's a relief.  I wonder the motive.  Who attacks a priest during service??
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« Reply #103 on: March 23, 2019, 03:38:51 pm »
I found a twitter account that could be his, but it only has 4 entries from 2009-10. He had 26 followers, mostly young sexy women (he would have been 17-18 at the time). He is following about 250 accounts. Nothing stands out other than a handful of American politicians from both parties. Perhaps it is not his account as there is nothing linking it to Montreal or Canada.

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« Reply #104 on: March 23, 2019, 09:37:59 pm »
Thanks. Well the middle name seems to rule out him being a Muslim, unless he's a convert.  That's a relief.  I wonder the motive.  Who attacks a priest during service??

You certainly jump to conclusions quickly.