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Marx
« on: October 10, 2018, 07:39:12 pm »
Why did 19th century German philosophers have such amazing facial hair?  Will anyone want to work anyways once realistic sex robots hit the market?

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Re: Marx
« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2018, 07:44:38 pm »
Will anyone want to work anyways once realistic sex robots hit the market?

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Re: Marx
« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2018, 07:47:18 pm »
WHO THE HELL DESIGNED THE SOVIET ECONOMY ?

As bad as it was, it was somewhat viable ... for awhile.  Do you think YOU can design an economy ?

 

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« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2018, 09:08:14 pm »
I think we need a new topic on cannabis.

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Offline Queefer Sutherland

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Re: Marx
« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2018, 09:18:42 pm »
WHO THE HELL DESIGNED THE SOVIET ECONOMY ?

As bad as it was, it was somewhat viable ... for awhile.  Do you think YOU can design an economy ?

Can an economy be designed?  Was capitalism designed by a grand master plan on a paper?  Or do economies come about organically through real needs, wants, events etc.?

The problem with planning something as infinitely complex as an economy is that it's infinitely complex.  How easy it is to lack the forethought of missing something.  Trial and error might be the only thing that would work in terms of formal design, and who wants to have their economy be guinea pig and risk error, to great consequence?  Maybe the economy is like a train, you can guide it a bit but its going to keep charging forward, and if you guide it too hard it will come off the tracks.
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Offline Michael Hardner

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« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2018, 06:07:59 am »
Can an economy be designed?  Was capitalism designed by a grand master plan on a paper?  Or do economies come about organically through real needs, wants, events etc.?

It's the latter ... but *someone would have had to plan a centrally planned economy.  I know this is just a google search away though...

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The problem with planning something as infinitely complex as an economy is that it's infinitely complex.  How easy it is to lack the forethought of missing something.  Trial and error might be the only thing that would work in terms of formal design, and who wants to have their economy be guinea pig and risk error, to great consequence?  Maybe the economy is like a train, you can guide it a bit but its going to keep charging forward, and if you guide it too hard it will come off the tracks.

Well, exactly.  They had it partly going for awhile though.

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Re: Marx
« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2018, 10:48:27 am »
Why did 19th century German philosophers have such amazing facial hair?
You ever try shaving with a straight razor? I use one regularly, but it takes a lot of practice to get right.

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« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2018, 10:57:26 am »
Not necessarily, think like co-ops, credit unions etc.

But Marx at least talked about state ownership of some industries, like banks.  I don't know about all.
Do you have a reference to where he talks about state ownership of banks? There's a section in The Communist Manifesto where he and Engels describe intermediary steps to a Communist state. One of the intermediary steps includes "centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly." However, this is not a feature of the Communist state; it is a transitory phase on the road to Communism.

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« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2018, 11:38:34 am »
You ever try shaving with a straight razor? I use one regularly, but it takes a lot of practice to get right.

The last time I had one of those at my throat was at a barber shop on a US military base in Afghanistan, which was run by two brothers who were locals. He did a great job but as he tipped the chair back and stropped the blade it did flash through my mind that I wonder how well he gets along with the Taliban.
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Offline Queefer Sutherland

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« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2018, 05:41:34 pm »
You ever try shaving with a straight razor? I use one regularly, but it takes a lot of practice to get right.

What about Nietzsche?  He had that badboy mustache but the rest of the face was clean shaven.  Maybe it was some highbrow masculinity thingy.
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Re: Marx
« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2018, 06:06:22 pm »
Do you have a reference to where he talks about state ownership of banks? There's a section in The Communist Manifesto where he and Engels describe intermediary steps to a Communist state. One of the intermediary steps includes "centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly." However, this is not a feature of the Communist state; it is a transitory phase on the road to Communism.

Every communist state created has been in the transitory phase hasn't it?.  The final phase of communism according to Marx is the stateless society where borders and classes and governments completely wither away, obviously that has never happened.
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« Reply #11 on: October 15, 2018, 08:47:04 am »
Every communist state created has been in the transitory phase hasn't it?.  The final phase of communism according to Marx is the stateless society where borders and classes and governments completely wither away, obviously that has never happened.
In other words, there's never been a communist state because 1) they never got there, but more importantly, 2) they were tyrannical.

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« Reply #12 on: October 15, 2018, 02:37:36 pm »
In other words, there's never been a communist state because 1) they never got there, but more importantly, 2) they were tyrannical.

Being tyrannical is a fairly common trait of Marxists and Socialists. Because they KNOW they're doing what's best for everyone, and thus anyone opposing them clearly is immoral and acting against the interests of the people.
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Offline Queefer Sutherland

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« Reply #13 on: October 15, 2018, 04:20:00 pm »
In other words, there's never been a communist state because 1) they never got there, but more importantly, 2) they were tyrannical.

Is there such thing as a communist state if communism is not supposed to have borders or governments?
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« Reply #14 on: October 16, 2018, 08:59:49 am »
Is there such thing as a communist state if communism is not supposed to have borders or governments?
No, there isn't.