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Offline JBG

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Re: Iran Protests
« on: January 02, 2018, 09:41:32 am »
The  point Sor J made MH which is valid and you did not respond to is there has been no change in political systems in what you pointed out. Nothing changed in Egypt, Tunisia, etc. Not a damn thing. Thousands of students were killed in Iran and many more will be before that fascist regime is overthrown. Turkey is now even more of a fascist dictatorship crushing any uprisings it had. Likewise Tunisia, Algeria, on and on.

The fact is the Middle East is one large pit of fascism surrounding Israel. There is not one country in the Middle East other than Israel with democratic institutions, an independent court system, and a free press. The reason for that is simple -Islam and sharia law prevent democracy. As for the rest of the world if you think twitter or internet will result in regime changes in Russia or China you are mistaken.
Absolutely right so far.

George Bush was naïve thinking without democratic institutions like independent courts, free press, there could be democracies in Iraq, etc. In fact Obama's Muslim Brotherhood troika with Erdogan and Morsi was never about democracy, it was a pathetic attempt to create a Muslim power network built on mimicking the Masonic lodge structure to control Muslim nations. It failed. The Muslim Brotherhood was not about democracy it was about a political network of elitist control by a few rich Muslims seeking to replace corrupted colonial monarchies of yester year with their own fat cats******My point is the uprisings were brief burps and in the grand scheme of things NOTHING.
It was worth a try. To paraphrase Einstein it's stupidity when you try something, it doesn't work and  you repeat it. It was a beautiful, failed dream. The dream worked well in Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Poland, Hungary, (the former) East Germany, Ukraine, Romania and Bulgaria. All these places had no democratic tradition and they are all working towards such a system. It's not perfect but it's good. Czechoslovakia, now the Czech Republic and Slovakia had some pre-WW II experience with democracy. My point is it's worth at least one try, perhaps two, per country.

Today If anything the internet is being used to control the masses no different than tagging us. People voluntarily agree to be tagged with their cell phones and use of the internet. We are all now under control of interests whose needs use the internet as a method to captivate and gain access to  us. There is nothing conspiratorial about it. Its called marketing.  Every move, every purchase you make, someone is logging it and quantifying it to use to better understand you to control your decision making. You are given the illusion of free choice but every decision is being influenced right down to the next purchase. Its the price of info technology. It does away with privacy.****That said, I do believe in the next five years uprisings in Egypt, Iran, Turkey, let alone Europe, China, Russia, the US could of course happen. How effective they would be in changing anything will be hard to know. Usually uprisings lead to backlashes where more control by the state against individuals is then justified. That has been the pattern in history.
If the demonstrations start fast enough it might overwhelm the regime. Couldn't happen to nicer people.

We take down Hitler and overnight Stalin moved in and filled the vacuum across Europe.
Thank Franklin and Eleanor Roosevelt for that. Unlike most people I do not rank him among the greats. I rank him with Buchanan, Pierce, Fillmore, Nixon and Carter at the bottom.

China has been under state control since 1949. India controls its masses by a caste system and a complex web of having to pay civil servants each step of the way in any procedure to do anything.
Those two countries illustrate my view of history which is similar to yours; nothing or very little changes. China is basically at the same place as it was in the 1500's, complete with blaming past rulers for floods, droughts, earthquakes as well as inflation and poverty. Charles Mann's excellent 1493 about post-Columbian disruption covers the topic beautifully. The influx of silver cased a great inflation and the boom caused farming on steep slopes. When this proved ecologically unsound in a big way the previous rulers were blamed. Remember how in the late 1970's Mao's wife and the Gang of Four was blamed for the same type of thing? The more things change....

There's ways to control. In Canada we get taxed up the wazoo and we have people on this forum welcoming the increased taxes by Trudeau seeing no contradiction in his b.s. agenda of claiming to represent the Middle Class.
How can you not like Pretty Boy, or the Trudeau Without Brains?

Trump? He's a puppet figure head. Does anyone really think he controls anything? He's a loud fart in the foreground to distract from what is transpiring. The only thing it looks like is that all the centralized regulatory schemes of Obama are being dismantled in terms of financial market places, certainly  no increase of  individual liberties. Let's get real. Obama started the wall with Mexico not Trump. Obama the alleged leftist had no problem with Homeland Security, the FBI, the CIA, etc. In fact its Trump if anyone questioning them but does anyone think Trump is a libertarian or a promoter of individual rights?
The Trump Derangement People think that to their peril.  He is changing a lot. He isn't perfect but he's better on individual rights than Obama. And pulling out of the Climate Accords and recognizing Jerusalem as the capital is big.

I better stop.
Your posts are always too long but I have gotten to like  you.
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