The very same argument could be made for all the pro Palestinian claims from pro Palestinian sources on this thread.
So the point MG? Whose version is more valid?
In fact the sources I provided you are indeed pro Israeli but they are not anti Palestinian.
Absolutely they share the counter-side to the other side and both sides need to be considered equally.
You know that but in this debate its usually one sided with the starting assumption that everything Israel does and
therefore anyone who supports its right to exist free of terrorism hates Palestinians.
You've started with a twisted and inflammatory accusation about what's in MG's head. Are you trying to provoke a reaction, so you can then claim to be the victim?
If you sincerely don't want to get splashed, don't splash the water with a paddle.
I have different opinions than you, and the right to express them without enduring any more personal insults and attacks from you.
Be aware: I'm not soft pedaling to coddle you and prevent you from overreacting, Rue. I call it as I see it, and you are responsible for moderating your own reactions.
Israel pushes Palestinians out of their homes into increasingly smaller and more crowded spaces, limits their access to water, hydro, food, medical care and other necessities of life ...
Israel does not get to claim victim status. It's very clear who is the oppressor and who is being oppressed. This is not an 'equal' situation.Not all Palestinians are victims of Israel. In fact more Palestinians are victims of fellow Palestinian terrorists than
Israeli soldiers.
Evidence to support this please?
I say it again, the status quo on the West Bank has serious problems,but by ignoring Palestinian terrorists and the role
they play on the West Bank and in generating unfair policies as a consequence of security issues to deal with them needs to be understood.
The problemmatic "status quo" on the West Bank is due to Israel's aggressive and oppressive actions (ie, continuing ethnic cleansing and usurping land via creeping invasion of settlements), it is illegal, inflammatory and
a problem Israel creates for itself via illegal actions. Of course oppressed people are going to react, fight back, with whatever means they can muster.
Stop the invasion.
These are not excuses for the conflict, but symptoms of the conflict.
If and when terrorists are disarmed, as was the case in Northern Ireland, then things can be done to address unfair
policies to Palestinians that now exist because of the need to contain terrorists.
Other way around: First, stop the aggression, invasion and oppression so Palestinians can live comfortably and safely.
Israel is the aggressor, the oppressor, but not the victor: demanding subjugation and disarmament of Palestinians in conditions that still threaten their lives? ... That's just not reasonable.
Israel can stop the aggression, improve the conditions of life for Palestinians, to reduce its own security risks.
Palestinians have every right to defend themselves from Israel's creeping invasion.
For example, if terrorists disarmed on the West Bank, if it became a non militarized zone, both Jordan and Israel
would open roads and access to their airports for trade which they currently can not do. They could also consider
water irrigation and electric grid projects and address environmental issues.
As above: Stop the invasion and oppression that inflames opposition.
Terrorists do not want to lose their monopoly on Palestinian government. They require a constant state of war with Israel
to justify their existence. Then they empower right wing extremists in Israel who justify their beliefs as a reaction to these terrorists.
You are seriously blaming Palestinians for inflaming right-wing Israeli angst and violent overreaction? REALLY?
I actually have to tell you that adult Israelis are responsible for their own over-reactions?!
Please before you write off anything pro Israeli, read it.Much of what I provided was in fact NOT anti Palestinian just because
its pro Israeli.
Thank you.
Likewise, right-wing Israel can accept valid criticism of its illegal expansion and oppression of Palestinians without having a worldwide hissy fit and demanding suppression of Canadians' freedom of expression via BDS and other forms of protest.
Your excuses for Israeli aggression and demands for Palestinian subjugation put you in the extreme right-wing camp. I cannot believe that any of your efforts for peace have included equality. Palestinians are just supposed to give up and subjugate themselves in your unrealistic view of 'peace'.
What if ... Netanyahu goes down and Israel becomes more moderate, less demanding, more collaborative in its peace efforts?
Will you be on the outside then?
What is your view of Netanyahu's opposition?
Is there better hope for peace and equality if moderate political forces have more power?
Is defending right-wing extremist Israeli aggressions and overreactions really defending the best of what Israel aspires to?
Is there a better side of Israel that needs to be supported and promoted, to help overcome the destructive political forces, so that (eg)
the status quo on the West Bank no longer
has serious problems?