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« Reply #90 on: May 21, 2019, 06:42:23 pm »
The difference is nobody is defending the other states. Whenever actions are condemned, there always seems to be someone trying to defend the indefensible in the case of Israel.

How is Israel "indefensible?"

And yes, there are forum members defending other states. Venezuela has a horrible record of Human Rights abuses. If you were to click on the thread there is at least one or two posters defending Venezuela. I only looked at the most recent page of this sub-forum. I'm pretty sure if I took the time, I could cite other examples of posters defending countries that have been criticized for Human Rights abuses.
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« Reply #91 on: May 21, 2019, 06:46:06 pm »
Fill your boots: Start your own thread.

Canada is an ally of Israel.
This thread provides a place for information and discussion about Israel-Palestine issues of concern to
Canadians.

Actually there are three recent threads covering the Israeli-Palestinian issue on this forum alone. Its overkill to have three threads discussing the same issue/conflict.

*my mistake. There are actually SEVEN threads that relate to this issue on this sub-forum.
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« Reply #92 on: May 21, 2019, 06:47:50 pm »
How is Israel "indefensible?"

I said the actions are condemned. If you need details, I suggest referring to the United Nations human rights council as a starting point.

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« Reply #93 on: May 21, 2019, 06:54:31 pm »
I said the actions are condemned. If you need details, I suggest referring to the United Nations human rights council as a starting point.

Nobody cares about the UN anymore. It is at the point that its effectiveness is on par with the League of Nations circa 1933.  One thing is certain when it comes to the UN. Israel will always be singled out compared to other nations committing equal or worse Human Rights abuses (the entire world of Islamic states will vote for any resolution that condemns the Jewish state), and the USA and a select few other nations, will invoke their veto powers. to render any resolution ineffective.

A better question may be "why has the UN ignored the plight of Jews that lived in Muslim countries? After 1947, pretty much all Arab states confiscated Jewish property, stripped them of civil and human rights, and in many occasions, executed Jews for " spying for Israel" without due process of the law. Unlike the Arab nations, Israel has not ethnically cleansed the Arabs from the Occupied territories.
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Re: International Jewish Voices
« Reply #94 on: May 21, 2019, 07:19:48 pm »
I took a few international relations courses in college. I gathered that the Arab Israelis may have felt like second-class citizens at times---but they can at least say so publicly and not disappear in the middle of the night.
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« Reply #95 on: May 21, 2019, 08:03:40 pm »
"can't participate/encourage"??? I'd appreciate a citation to that end... in any case, PM Trudeau has most certainly reaffirmed the Liberal Party position on BDS - one that reflects upon that symbolic 2016 motion put forward by the CPC; a resulting vote that effectively followed party lines (CPC, Liberal versus NDP, Bloc Québécois).



as the outspoken Green Party supporter you are, it is interesting to note that somehow the single sitting Green Party member, its leader Elizabeth May, somehow managed to miss that vote. In any case, she made her position quite known 6 months later after a Green Party convention that voted to adopt a pro-BDS policy; specifically:

Thanks for that. I wasn't sure about the original wording.
"... government to condemn any and all attempt by Canadian organizations groups or individuals to promote the BDS movement here at home, or abroad"

"condemn" ?
What the heck does that mean?
They're going to read out a list in the House of the bad Canadians promoting BDS, and "condemn" us sinners publicly?

WTF are they thinking? It's disgusting that the government is trying to punish freedom of expression.

And I believe the Supreme Court might find it a violation of Constitutional rights, if it came to that.

The word "condemn" is laughable... has that 'hell and damnation' fire and brimstone feel to it. Lol
It's a non binding motion.
Means nothing

Except that BDS is working and that's bothering the Israeli government.
And that's the purpose.
Oppressing Palestinians has consequences.

Elizabeth May is entitled to her opinion, as are we all.



 

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« Reply #96 on: May 21, 2019, 08:10:43 pm »
Fill your boots: Start your own thread.

Canada is an ally of Israel.
This thread provides a place for information and discussion about Israel-Palestine issues of concern to
Canadians.

I'm not talking about another thread, i'm talking about the BDS movement, and why there's only a BDS movement for Israel but not many dozens of other countries whose governments do horrible things.  I'm not arguing that Israel doesn't do horrible things.
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« Reply #97 on: May 21, 2019, 08:43:05 pm »
This thread is a god damned dumpster fire.

Some things never change.
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« Reply #98 on: May 21, 2019, 09:00:16 pm »
I'm not talking about another thread, i'm talking about the BDS movement, and why there's only a BDS movement for Israel but not many dozens of other countries whose governments do horrible things.  I'm not arguing that Israel doesn't do horrible things.

I chose this thread topic about Israel-Palestine.

You can choose to start a thread on your choice of topic.

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« Reply #99 on: May 21, 2019, 09:18:17 pm »
Nobody cares about the UN anymore. It is at the point that its effectiveness is on par with the League of Nations circa 1933.  One thing is certain when it comes to the UN. Israel will always be singled out compared to other nations committing equal or worse Human Rights abuses (the entire world of Islamic states will vote for any resolution that condemns the Jewish state), and the USA and a select few other nations, will invoke their veto powers. to render any resolution ineffective.

A better question may be "why has the UN ignored the plight of Jews that lived in Muslim countries? After 1947, pretty much all Arab states confiscated Jewish property, stripped them of civil and human rights, and in many occasions, executed Jews for " spying for Israel" without due process of the law. Unlike the Arab nations, Israel has not ethnically cleansed the Arabs from the Occupied territories.
Oops ... I spit on my screen on that last line.

Vid, we're just going to assume that most people understand that Israel's behaviour towards Palestinians is reprehensible.

Put yourself in their shoes, in their conditions.
It's intolerable.
It cannot be justified.
No more excuses please.
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Re: International Jewish Voices
« Reply #100 on: May 21, 2019, 09:59:22 pm »
I chose this thread topic about Israel-Palestine.

You can choose to start a thread on your choice of topic.

Its amusing that you are all about freedom of speech, and expressing ones opinion, only if they are in agreement with you. Otherwise, it is 'Go away and start your own thread.'
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« Reply #101 on: May 21, 2019, 10:21:50 pm »
I chose this thread topic about Israel-Palestine.

You can choose to start a thread on your choice of topic.

I'm talking about Israel-Palestine.
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« Reply #102 on: May 21, 2019, 10:55:54 pm »

Except that BDS is working and that's bothering the Israeli government.
And that's the purpose.
Oppressing Palestinians has consequences.

BDS has had little, if any effect on the Israeli economy.

I suggest we boycott Arab states until the repatriate the Jews the forcibly removed from their respective countries.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/the-middle-easts-greatest-untold-story_b_1652777

This month the United Nations marks World Refugee Day, a star-studded, multimedia campaign to raise awareness about the plight of refugees. Celebrities like Angelina Jolie have cut video spots that will be broadcast on television and spread on social media. Millions will participate in events spanning five continents, from concerts in London to a film festival in Beirut to a bike race in Ecuador. Yet mention of one group of refugees will be noticeably absent from any of these activities: the 850,000 Jews expelled from Arab countries during the past six decades. Their history remains one of the 20th century’s greatest untold stories.

At the end of World War II, 850,000 Jews lived in Arab countries. Just 8,500 remain today. Their departure was no accident. After Arab leaders failed to annihilate Israel militarily in 1948, they launched a war of terror, incitement, and expulsion to decimate their own ancient Jewish communities.

In Iraq Jewish businessman Shafiq Adas, then the country’s wealthiest citizen, was immediately arrested on trumped-up charges and publicly lynched. This was followed by bombings targeting Jewish institutions, arbitrary arrests of Jewish leaders, and massive government seizures of property. Within years virtually all of Iraq’s 2,500-year-old Jewish community had fled, emptying the country of many of its greatest artists, musicians, and businessmen.

The years have passed, but the injustice inflicted upon these Jewish refugees continues. Many around the world have remained silent and complicit as Arab governments have sought to erase all memory of their stories.

Nowhere is this revisionist history clearer than in the halls of the United Nations.  Year after year Palestinian refugees attract more attention and resources at the U.N. than Britney Spears at a paparazzi convention, yet not a single syllable about the Jewish refugees expelled from Arab countries can be found in any of the 1,088 U.N. resolutions on the Middle East or the 172 U.N. resolutions dedicated to Palestinian refugees.

While Arab leaders have found a refuge from reality at the U.N., they have been unable to outrun the consequences of religious and sectarian persecution, incitement, and violence at home. In the rubble of Aleppo’s former Jewish neighborhoods, Assad’s Allawite-led regime continues to brutally suppress Syria’s Sunni-led uprising. In Egypt mobs burn Coptic Christian churches in the same way that they attacked synagogues years ago.  In Baghdad, where Jews once constituted a third of the population, Sunnis and Shiites remain pitted against each other after years of bloodshed.

Forging a peaceful future in the Middle East will require Arab governments to finally learn the lessons of their pasts. They must build inclusive societies that protect minorities and offer everyone a seat at the decision-making table.

The first steps toward true pluralism will come when Arab countries acknowledge the history of persecution and intolerance in their own lands. They should start by unearthing the 850,000 untold stories of Jews ripped from their ancient homes.

The historic Jewish presence in the Arab World must be recognized. The grave injustices inflicted upon them must be acknowledged. The crimes committed against them must be rectified.



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Re: International Jewish Voices
« Reply #103 on: May 21, 2019, 11:08:42 pm »
Oops ... I spit on my screen on that last line.

Vid, we're just going to assume that most people understand that Israel's behaviour towards Palestinians is reprehensible.

Put yourself in their shoes, in their conditions.
It's intolerable.
It cannot be justified.
No more excuses please.

I agree with you.  The problem is you take the side of the Palestinians, and ignore the other side.  There are different narratives at play here, and the situation is very complex, which is why we don't have peace after a century of conflict.

Israel illegally occupies Arab territory, and illegally builds settlements to expands its colonial takeover of the West Bank. On the other hand, Jews are probably the most hated peoples in the world, barely survived the Nazi holocaust, and are surrounded by Arab countries whom many would gladly kill every Jew in Israel if they could get away with it, and governments in the Palestinian territories that deny their right to exist and would also gladly exterminate them had they the means.

There are no good guys and bad guys in this, just a lot of BS.
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Re: International Jewish Voices
« Reply #104 on: May 21, 2019, 11:31:51 pm »
BDS has had little, if any effect on the Israeli economy.

I suggest we boycott Arab states until the repatriate the Jews the forcibly removed from their respective countries.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/the-middle-easts-greatest-untold-story_b_1652777

This month the United Nations marks World Refugee Day, a star-studded, multimedia campaign to raise awareness about the plight of refugees. Celebrities like Angelina Jolie have cut video spots that will be broadcast on television and spread on social media. Millions will participate in events spanning five continents, from concerts in London to a film festival in Beirut to a bike race in Ecuador. Yet mention of one group of refugees will be noticeably absent from any of these activities: the 850,000 Jews expelled from Arab countries during the past six decades. Their history remains one of the 20th century’s greatest untold stories.

At the end of World War II, 850,000 Jews lived in Arab countries. Just 8,500 remain today. Their departure was no accident. After Arab leaders failed to annihilate Israel militarily in 1948, they launched a war of terror, incitement, and expulsion to decimate their own ancient Jewish communities.

In Iraq Jewish businessman Shafiq Adas, then the country’s wealthiest citizen, was immediately arrested on trumped-up charges and publicly lynched. This was followed by bombings targeting Jewish institutions, arbitrary arrests of Jewish leaders, and massive government seizures of property. Within years virtually all of Iraq’s 2,500-year-old Jewish community had fled, emptying the country of many of its greatest artists, musicians, and businessmen.

The years have passed, but the injustice inflicted upon these Jewish refugees continues. Many around the world have remained silent and complicit as Arab governments have sought to erase all memory of their stories.

Nowhere is this revisionist history clearer than in the halls of the United Nations.  Year after year Palestinian refugees attract more attention and resources at the U.N. than Britney Spears at a paparazzi convention, yet not a single syllable about the Jewish refugees expelled from Arab countries can be found in any of the 1,088 U.N. resolutions on the Middle East or the 172 U.N. resolutions dedicated to Palestinian refugees.

While Arab leaders have found a refuge from reality at the U.N., they have been unable to outrun the consequences of religious and sectarian persecution, incitement, and violence at home. In the rubble of Aleppo’s former Jewish neighborhoods, Assad’s Allawite-led regime continues to brutally suppress Syria’s Sunni-led uprising. In Egypt mobs burn Coptic Christian churches in the same way that they attacked synagogues years ago.  In Baghdad, where Jews once constituted a third of the population, Sunnis and Shiites remain pitted against each other after years of bloodshed.

Forging a peaceful future in the Middle East will require Arab governments to finally learn the lessons of their pasts. They must build inclusive societies that protect minorities and offer everyone a seat at the decision-making table.

The first steps toward true pluralism will come when Arab countries acknowledge the history of persecution and intolerance in their own lands. They should start by unearthing the 850,000 untold stories of Jews ripped from their ancient homes.

The historic Jewish presence in the Arab World must be recognized. The grave injustices inflicted upon them must be acknowledged. The crimes committed against them must be rectified.




You seem to have not strayed far from mommy's basement into the broader world. I have and often times supporting the UN after the US got done killing people. And what nit wit **** came up with this stupid little braindead cartoon?
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