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Re: International Jewish Voices
« Reply #60 on: May 19, 2019, 08:06:56 am »
...inyter-change the word Jew with Israeli state policies,
Steaming pile of crap, Rue.
I have not done that.

Please stop word bombing with false accusations.

You make it impossible for supporters of Palestinians to discuss Palestinian issues respectfully.

I post information from Independent Jewish Voices Canada because they have a right to speak up, and do so eloquently.
 
Opposing voices are to be respected in this thread.

You're tired old tactic of accusing me of anti-Semitism is .... zzzzzzzzzz

I did not "word bomb" You asked me to provide your words, so I did.  Take ownership of them. 

Your response now shows what? You make the statement " Opposing voices are to be respected in this thread."  but you again show disrespect to anyone who disagrees with you not just me on this thread.

That Granny speaks loudly. If you commence a thread to state one sided, uncontested subjective opinions and make references to Jews that have nothing to do with the supposed issue you raised in the thread that deals with Israeli state policies, you will be challenged by me and others. You don't own the thread nor are your repeated attempts to try control what opinions people can have when responding to you, are nonsensical.

May I also point out interestingly that so far you are the only one referring to yourself as an anti-Semite.


The Jewish identity of the activists was immaterial to their views but you  chose to make their being Jewish relevant. You also chose to raise an issue about Jews in a charity walk that has nothing to do with the thread.


Your comments attacking Jews for walking in a charity walk has nothing to do with the thread.

Here is what I am asking you to consider when engaging in such threads:

source:https://honestreporting.com/how-criticize-israel-without-being-antisemitic/

"While criticism of Israel and advocacy for Israel is not inherently antisemitic, much of it departs from the realm of fair comment and crosses the boundary into antisemitism. But, when this is pointed out, Jews are often accused of ‘playing the antisemitism card’. This makes light of bigotry, and undermines the ability to separate between legitimate criticism and illegitimate smears. In the absence of a single universally accepted definition of antisemitism, perhaps this list of things to remember will help people who want to fairly criticize Israel without falling into antisemitic canards or tropes.

1. Israel, and Israelis, exist

Israel is not a theoretical model; there are real people involved. Many of us desperately want peace and security. Whatever we say or believe, our human rights are not conditional. We aren’t an abstract idea, don’t suggest putting thousands or millions of real lives at risk.

2. Jews are not the same as Israel

Jews have a wide range of opinions, and many Jews around the world aren’t really aware of what’s going on in Israel. If individual or Catholics in general shouldn’t be attacked for the actions or positions of the Vatican, and if most people agree that Muslims should not held responsible for terrorism, then Jews should not be conflated with Israel. Don’t blame “Jews” for Israeli policies you don’t like.

3. Criticize specific policies

Vague assertions of Israeli control or evildoing echo centuries of vague assertions of Jewish control and mendaciousness. Both are smears, putting Jews and Israelis on the defensive against pernicious claims that are hard to pin down. If you want to honestly criticize Israel, do so by addressing specific issues and acts."

4. Make a fair attempt to understand Israeli policies

If you have an issue with Israeli policy, take the time to understand it and why it was implemented. For example, Israel’s security barrier. Where is it? Why was it placed there? What legal processes did it go through? What were the results on both sides?

5. Speak from a place of knowledge, accuracy and context

Whether Israel or another topic, you should never debate when unfamiliar with the basics. Take a moment to look up what’s going on, read a wide variety of sources, understand different perspectives, and make sure you get your facts right. Check out the history – it’s rarely one-sided. When you speak from ignorance you make grave errors and things seem overly simple.

6. Work towards solutions, not Israel’s destruction

If you seek to avoid claims of being antisemitic, avoid advocating for the destruction of the state home to the world’s largest population of Jews. (Refer to tip #1.) Determine whether your words feed into the incessant blaming of Israel or unreasonable demands that Israelis put themselves at risk, or whether they help advance the cause of peace by suggesting just solutions and realistic changes.

7. Recognize the conflict is not one-sided

Nothing is black and white. Imagining one party to be uniformly evil and the other as helpless victims is simplistic and unhelpful. Both Israelis and Palestinians have experienced pain. Both desire self determination. Wanting peace and security for Palestinians shouldn’t negate wanting it for Israelis Even if you truly believe that Israel is responsible for the situation, acting as if Israelis have no legitimate concerns and fears denies reality and characterizes Israelis as unreasonable, uniformly warmongering, and feeds into concerted attempts to destroy Israel.

8. Avoid known racist tropes when speaking of Israel or Jews

Words such as hypnotized, cabal, Jewish money, globalists, and many more have long been used to discredit Jews. Avoid them. If, for example, you wish to talk about Jewish influence on politics through organisations like AIPAC, carefully appraise your use of language and consider how much influence AIPAC really has compared to other organisations. (Hint: AIPAC’s “Jewish money” is only the second-biggest pro-Israel lobby in America. The biggest is actually CUFI, a Christian organization.)

9. Recognize Jewish indigeneity to the land.

Jews come from Judea. They lived in Israel for thousands of years. Denying the connection between Jews and Israel is antisemitism.

10. Don’t blame Israel for the world’s ills

If you’re tempted to blame the world’s ills on Israel, you’re exhibiting not only a lack of knowledge of world affairs, but demonstrable anti semitism. Portraying Israel as the cause of all that’s wrong in the world doesn’t lend itself to open, constructive debate."







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