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Re: International Jewish Voices
« Reply #45 on: May 15, 2019, 08:31:33 pm »
The walk for Israel doesn't mean unconditional support for Israel, it means support for Israel.

I think at this point the thread direction has been changed to a more general **** on anything to do with Israel or Jews that don't have Granny's views about Israel thread.. which explains the reference now to the walk and  some of her other comments.   
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Re: International Jewish Voices
« Reply #46 on: May 15, 2019, 08:46:52 pm »
Agreed there is a terrible history of Jews (and others) being persecuted for millennia. The main turning point was WWII, and we must continue to speak out against persecution. That includes persecution of Jews, and persecution by Jews.

Thank you and please understand I would never claim nor would most if us let alone Jews and Israelis that this legacy is a reason to hurt any Palestinian or harm or degrade them.  We want them to find peace in a state next door to Israel with mutual respect.

The  two sides will find a solution. It will require a major shift but no one thought when Sadat and Begin met that would ever happen.

I edited this and my other comments to shorten them and avoid undue misunderstandings.
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« Reply #47 on: May 16, 2019, 09:36:50 am »
I appreciate you stating your position so clearly and succinctly, Rue.

In this thread, I would like to be able to provide information from alternate viewpoints for respectful discussion.

In Canada, Jewish and Palestinian children (and all others) are often in the same classes, neighbourhoods, sports teams, etc. How would we discuss Israel-Palestine in front of them? How would we expect secondary school teenagers to present and discuss Israel-Palestine issues with each other?
With respect, certainly, allowing all views to be presented, no disparagement due to ethnicity, no bullying, no interrupting, no silencing ... etc.
We would not encourage, expect or allow Canadian children and youth to indulge in personal insult or degradation, but at least to respect existence of all viewpoints and their peers' right to speak.

I only propose that we set the same expectations for adult discussion here.

If as you said, Rue ...
"The  two sides will find a solution. It will require a major shift ..."
Then there must be safe spaces to hold discussions that respect all views and experiences, hopes and dreams.

Certainly any solution requires a willingness of both parties to comply with International law.

A two state solution once seemed to be possible, and may still be as you say, but there's been no progress and the viability of an armed-and-walled peace between two states with historical and deep animosities seems remote at present, and perhaps it always was an oxymoron?
 
I'm not dismissing the possibility of a two state solution yet, but another possibility must also be considered.
The return of Palestinian refugees is quite possible
https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/return-palestinian-refugees-190513145900780.html

At this point, the only viable way forward that does not involve further violence and ethnic cleansing on either side is to re-arrange the current relationship between Palestinians and Israeli Jews on the basis of justice and equality as opposed to discrimination and dispossession.
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Re: International Jewish Voices
« Reply #48 on: May 16, 2019, 10:06:54 am »
The Arab states, from Morocco to Iran, pretty much expelled nearly all the Jews from their respective countries. I think it is only fair to boot the Palestinians out of the Holy Land and annex the West Bank outright. The Jews have been too nice in this conflict, and in turn, Arab countries have exploited this.
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Re: International Jewish Voices
« Reply #49 on: May 16, 2019, 10:08:48 am »
I appreciate you stating your position so clearly and succinctly, Rue.
In this thread, I would like to be able to provide information from alternate viewpoints for respectful discussion.
In Canada, Jewish and Palestinian children (and all others) are often in the same classes, neighbourhoods, sports teams, etc. How would we discuss Israel-Palestine in front of them? How would we expect teenagers to present and discuss Israel-Palestine issues with each other?

If as you said
"The  two sides will find a solution. It will require a major shift ..."
Then there must be safe spaces to hold discussions that respect all views and experiences, hopes and dreams.
A two state solution once seemed to be possible, but there's been no progress and the viability of an armed-and-walled peace between two states with historical and deep animosities seems remote at present, and perhaps it always was an oxymoron?
I'm not dismissing the possibility of a two state solution yet, but another possibility must also be considered.
https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/return-palestinian-refugees-190513145900780.html

To answer your question myself and members of inter-faith and peace movements of Muslims and Jews do meet in safe places with youth and discuss these issues with mutual respect and recognition.

I have done it at churches, synagogues, mosques, schools, in two Bhuddist congregations, at a Unitarian Church, at a Bahaii Temple.

There is no such thing as a solution to a problem with two people that only acknowledges one of the parties. We all know that.

Granny in my responses to you if anything sounds like an undue personal reference to you it is not my intention. I think we both mean to discuss issues only and I do not think for a second
you are doing anything with malice or hatred towards Jews. I do think though with due respect to you, some people would use you for their own agenda which may not be as
noble.

900,000 Jews were displaced by Muslim countries not just about 480,000 Palestinians.  Some of the origins of systems put in place that you now find unfair came about because the world only recognized
Palestinian refugees not Jewish ones. That is not an excuse. It does explain though why the JNF or other Israeli organizations tried to address that imbalance.

In any solution hurting or harming anyone on either side clearly will not help. No I do not think Israel is perfect of course not. No I do not claim all its policies are correct of course not. I do though
worry that the current PA and Hamas feel no need to recognize a Jewish state of Israel and so that in turn fuels Israeli hardliners to say they have no other choice but to do what they do.

I do think unlike some and you, that there are another generation of Muslims and Jews in the Middle East and the world who will find a solution. Violence and terror may repeat, but there are good people out there on both sides tired of war and violence and terror.

You want a stereptype than think of some young 18 year old IDF soldier, placed on the West Bank who doesn't want to hurt anyone being attacked by extremists on both sides and is equally hated.

I got spit on by people on both sides of the debate. My colleagues did not have swagger. They were reluctant and modest, no swagger, grim, tired, intense, fed up. No heroes, just reluctant ordinary people
forced to endure the worst of human behavior and trying there best to preserve sanity and peace.

My bias Granny is way out there and it is a bias against terrorism and violence as a substitute for dialogue. Period. I have faith in a higher meaning in life that transcends all our failures. Maybe that is dumb but
when you put things in body bags you make a choice, to continue to live dead with no feeling, or continue to live refusing to believe you will have to keep putting body parts in bags. Its a choice people make. Neither is right or wrong. I can tell you Granny you get to a point where you pass rage and anger in the face of violence and terror and feel what is called dead-calm. You just zero in on the evil and hear, feel, see nothing else and your body has just one intense exact precise flash of a second moment to get rid of the terrorist or the terrorist kills others. There is no deep thought, no time to feel, think or anything and there is no regret after the fact if you are still alive and you do what you have to do to preserve life. No feeling. Nothing.

Terrorists are what the Muslims and Christians symbolize through the concept of Satan. This Satan is just human behavior inherent in all of us that can create hell. Its the other part of us that would have otherwise chosen to create heaven. I have seen two brothers from the exact same conditions and one go dark the other light, one a terrorist the other a doctor sworn to avow terror and preserve life. Freedom of choice happens in the darkest of situations by people. We have that choice.

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Re: International Jewish Voices
« Reply #50 on: May 16, 2019, 10:21:56 am »
The Arab states, from Morocco to Iran, pretty much expelled nearly all the Jews from their respective countries. I think it is only fair to boot the Palestinians out of the Holy Land and annex the West Bank outright. The Jews have been too nice in this conflict, and in turn, Arab countries have exploited this.

 ;D hey member Rue - is your agreement tag to the above post... your "finding a solution... one that requires a major shift"? Oh my! Might makes right, hey!
The  two sides will find a solution. It will require a major shift...
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Re: International Jewish Voices
« Reply #51 on: May 16, 2019, 10:48:17 am »
To answer your question myself and members of inter-faith and peace movements of Muslims and Jews do meet in safe places with youth and discuss these issues with mutual respect and recognition.

I have done it at churches, synagogues, mosques, schools, in two Bhuddist congregations, at a Unitarian Church, at a Bahaii Temple.

There is no such thing as a solution to a problem with two people that only acknowledges one of the parties. We all know that.
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I do think unlike some and you, that there are another generation of Muslims and Jews in the Middle East and the world who will find a solution. Violence and terror may repeat, but there are good people out there on both sides tired of war and violence and terror.

I'm counting on that too.
In moving toward solutions, there must  be committment to the common standard provided by International law, without excuses on either side.

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Re: International Jewish Voices
« Reply #52 on: May 16, 2019, 03:03:33 pm »
I'm counting on that too.
In moving toward solutions, there must  be committment to the common standard provided by International law, without excuses on either side.

I would not hold your breath. Groups have been fighting over the Holy Land since the beginning of time.
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Re: International Jewish Voices
« Reply #53 on: May 17, 2019, 05:47:07 am »
I would not hold your breath. Groups have been fighting over the Holy Land since the beginning of time.

I'm pretty sure that the territory was unclaimed at the point of the big bang.

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Re: International Jewish Voices
« Reply #54 on: May 17, 2019, 09:40:23 am »
I'm pretty sure that the territory was unclaimed at the point of the big bang.

Yes. If it had been part of a sovereign state, the international legal issues would be different than land never part of any nation.

In international law you can not "occupy" land that was never part of another sovereign state. The term "occupied" has been changed  in the dispute between Israel and the West Bank to mean a "legal" occupation when in fact it is a physical occupation not a legal one. There is a significant legal difference in international law.

Then again the definition of refugee was also changed so that it means one thing for all refugees of the world and another for people who self proclaim as Palestinians.

A lot of terminology has been redefined to suit this complex issue by people who do not necessarily understand the international legal ramifications.

For example, many people think UN Resolutions are legally binding when they are not.

Many people have no idea Jordan was created illegally by Britain as a  Jewish free Palestinian state  with 90% of land that was supposed to be shared equally by Jews and Muslims for two states.

Many people are unaware that there are Jews in Hebron on the West Bank who have lived there uninterrupted since the Biblical days and have as much legal rights to the land as any "Palestinian" and some of those Jews don't even recognize Israel as  state and the PA says they will expel them if the PA becomes a state.

Many people are unaware that not all land Israeli settlers on the Wwst Bank live on was "stolen" or "purchased by fraudulent deals"  but was purchased freely from Palestinians.

Many people are unaware that at this time a Palestinian is defined as any non Jew, who claims to be a Palestinian and there is no test for what a Palestinian is.

Most people are unaware that the vast majority of people who call themselves  a Palestinian are descended from people who were not born in Palestine but moved there from outside Palestine no differently than Jews in Israel or the West Bank.

Most people are unaware there are more land disputes between Palestinians than there are between Palestinians and Israeli settlers.

Most people are unaware that Yasir Arafat blew up the Land Titles office on the West Bank to cover up that the vast majority of people claiming l and title were Muslims who moved to the West Bank from outside Palestine and squatted then stole the land from actual Palestinians.

Most people are unaware that the actual natives of the West Bank who were Muslim had no land title-they obtained their ownership by physical occupation and the land was in the title of Turks from the Ottoman Empire given the land title by the head of the Ottoman Empire in exchange for
assuring that the Palestinians who lived on their land, paid taxes and joined their armies. In fact the land titles were given to friends of the leader of Turkey the way land was given to Dukes and Baros of the King of England and Palestinians were serfs with no rights other than to eat enough food so they could be of service to pay taxes and serve in wars.

Most people are unaware that the Assyrian Empire was mostly where Lebanon and Syria is today and that where Israel, Jordan and the West Bank are originally was called the Jewish states of  Judea and Somaria, and the word Palestine is a Greek word and did not refer to a state but a physical geographic region where these former Jewish states were.

Most people do not know the Islamic empires proceeded not preceded the Jewish Empires.

Most people do not know the difference between Beduin Arabs, the aboriginal descendans of people who lived on the Arabian Peninsula and today's "Arabs" which was a word redefined by Gamel Nasser in Egypt to mean anyone who speaks Arabic in an Arabic speaking nation of the Middle East.

Most people have no idea that the true descendants of the Arabs today are the Beduins no one else.

Most people have no idea that all Jews and many but not al  Musims of the Middle East like some but not all Christians could have their blood type traced back to people who lived in or near the Arabian Peninsula and therefore religion is not necessarily an accurate way to define semitic or aboriginal heritage to the land.

Most people have no idea there is no reference to Jerusalem in the Koran and that the Mosque built in Jerusalem now referred to as the third most holy site of Muslims was never defined that way in the Koran and was built directly on top of the former Temple for Jews in Jerusalem deliberately as a political statement of disrespect.

Most people are unaware that when the Muslims occupied Jerusalem, they would chip off and sell parts of Jewish holy sites as souvenirs to tourists and the Jordanian Army that occupied Jerusalem up until 1967 would openly deficate and urinate on Jewish sites to taunt Jews.

Most people are unaware that East Jerusalem considered the land of Muslim Palestinians was actually occupied by as many if not more Jews who were then  evicted and had their synagues burned down and their homes confiscated.

Most people are unaware of the history of the origins of toda's Palestinian movement and that its original leaders were financed and controlled by the Nazis and/or British to divide and conquer Jews and Muslims from getting along and then during WW2 willingly joined the Nazi alliance, then joined wirh Britain and France again immediately after WW2 in the war of 1948 to rid Palestine of Jews.

Most people are unaware that all Arab states and Iran today were created by Britain and France.

Most people are unaware Israel is the only state of the Middle East not created by Britain and France.

Most people are unaware that in 1948 when the Arab nations tried to invade Palestine to rid it of Jews, they were led by ex Nazi military who had settled in Syria, Iraq and Egypt and the British military and General Allenby and his senior officers who led the Arab Legion in its attack against Israel.

Most people are unaware regular Royal Air Force pilots flew the Egyptian Air Force planes in the 1948 war.

Most people are unaware that the 1948 war which led to Israel's creation only came about because the Arab world refused any notion of Jews owning any state in the Middle East because they believe and still do to this  day that under Sharia Law, no Jew can own land, have a nation, or have the same legal rights as Muslims.

Most people are unaware that more Jewish refugees were expelled from Arab nations than any Muslims from Israel.

Most people are unaware that the Muslims who did not "flee" Israel in 1948 ended up Israeli citizens with all the legal rights in Israel no Jew or non Muslim has ever had in Sharia law nations of the Middle East and not one of these Muslim Israelis has moved to a Muslim country.

Most people are unaware the Gaza Strip was in fact an open air prison created by Gamel Nasser to contain Muslims who fled Israel in 1948 because Nasser did not want them in Egypt.

Most people are unaware that Palestinian refugees were in fact placed in refugee camps by the Aran council of nations as hostages ad the Arab council of nations said they would be held there as hostages and a warning to the world that until Israel was removed as a Jewish state, these people and their descendants would be held as a reminder of the injustice of a Jewish state.

Most people are unaware that Israel and the Muslim world agreed to two states side by side and the British and French sabotaged that agreement by lying to Prince Faisal after the agreement was signed telling him the Jews would break the deal. Faisal fell for the false statement, ripped up te agreement and the very next day was arrested. The British and French then awarded Syria and Lebanon to France as colonies and Britain created Jordan and placed the son of Faisal on the throne to placate him.

Most people do not know Britain creates Jordan as a Jewish free Palestinian state illegally from 90% of land that was supposed to be divided equally between Jews and Muslims.

Most people have no idea Saudi Arabia was invented by Britain for the remaining family of Faisal to placate him.

Most people are unaware Iran as it is known today was created by the British as a colony and Iranians are Persians not Arabs and historically Persians and Arabs (Shiite and Sunni Muslims) have major religious differences that have led to wars.

Most people are unaware that Muslims have had and continue to have more wars between themselves then they have ever had with Israel or Jews and more Muslims in the Middle East have died by wars and terrorist attacks by fellow Muslims than any Jew or Israeli.

Most people are unaware that Bahaiis, Berbers, Kurds, Coptic Christians have also been the targets of mass killings and discrimination by Musim nations of the Middle East as well as Jews for the same reasons of religion.

Most people have no idea what Sharia law is or what dhimmitude means or what the word "khafir" means.

Most people have no idea about the history of Jews, Bahaiis, Berbers, Druze, Kurds, Beduin Arabs, Coptic Christians.

Most people are unaware Muslims in what is now Jordan were not anti Jewish state and in fact donated land to Jews to start collective farms after WW2.

Most people are unaware that the Mullah of Jerusalem who led the original Palestinian nationalist movement and all the Palestinian leaders up until 1967 ridiculed the notion of a Palestinian state or the concept of a Palestinian nationality and only coined the term when Arafat failed to kill King Hussein of Jordan and was expelled from the West Bank and forced to live in Tunisia.

Most people are unaware that to this day the Palestinian Authority is made up of a loose network of cells each with its own leader and the only thing they have in common is their belief Israel should not exist as a Jewish state.

Most people are unaware that the current Palestinian Authority leader Abbas has redirected Palestinian aid funds to his own personal bank accounts in Switzerland and received a Ph.d from the University of Moscow for his thesis that the holocaust was invented by Jews to take over the Middle East and he stood up in his Assembly giving a standing ovation and screaming death to Israel.

Most people are unaware Mr. Abbas in an interview with the West defended terrorism as a legitimate political expression and has stated repeatedly he will never recognize Israel as a state unless it is a majority Muslim state.

Most people are unaware his position is that anyone one Muslim and not Jewish who identifies as Palestinian is, and ahould be given automatic land title and citizenship in Israel and then that Israel should turn itself into a Sharia law state, and along with Jordan and the West Bank become on Palestinian sharia law state.

Hamas feels the exact same way only feels this Palestinian state would be the first step in a larger Muslim sharia law state for all of the Middle East and then a building block to achieve a world Muslim state because this is what the Koran says.

Most people are unaware Hamas was financed by both Saudi Arabia and Iran and now by Iran.

Most people are unaware that Hezbollah in Lebanon said it was only armed because Israel was in Southern Lebanon and the moment they left Southern Lebanon they would disband and stop attacking Israel. Then when Israel left, Hezbollah refused to disarm and recommenced attacks on Israel and now serve as a proxy army that occupies most of Lebanon and is in a declared state of terrorist war to rid Israel.

Most people are unaware that Hamas and Hezbollah are made up of non Palestinian Muslims who actually consider Palestinian Muslims inferior to Egyptian, Syrian or Lebanese Muslims.

Most people are unaware that most Israelis do not define their Jewish identity as a religious one and like the Muslims  of the Middle East are of every skin colour and physical characteristic.

Most people are unaware that Mitzrahi or Tsfardic Jews speak Arabic and come from or are descended from Jews of Ara countries, Spain and Portugal and the Ashkenazi Jew are descended from the Jews that migrated to Europe.

Most people are unaware there are Felashi (Ethiopian) Jews, African Jews, Jews in India (Mumbai) and China. Most people are unaware Marco Polo was Jewish and the origins of Jews in China and India come from his travels there.

Most people are unaware that during the 20's to the end of WW2, Shanghai, China was a refuge for Jews escaping Nazi and European persecution and that the Jews of India form a large population in Mumbai and have lived peacefully there for thousands of years.

Most people are unaware that the ancestors of the Jews and Muslims probably come from the same people that created Hinduism, then later Zoroastrianism and other religions before Abraham who was Persian was born.

Most people do not understand Judaism as a religion took thousands of years to form and is a fluid non static religion and the Talmud is a set of rules designed to assure constant debate so that Judaism continually changes in meaning.

Most Christians and Muslims are unaware there is no translation of the Torah or Old Testament that has only one meaning and that the average sentence in the Torah can have over 250 interpretations.

Most people are unaware the Kabal is a book of teachings which is remarkanly similar in content to what is taught in Taoism, Bhuddism, Hinduism nad Siekhism and by certain Muslim sects.

Most people are unaware that the two sons of Abraham Jacob and Ishmael were the original procreators of todays Jews and Muslms and therefore all Jews and Muslims come from the same father so are technically related.

Most people are unaware Jesus was a practicing Jew and died a practicing Jew and the original Agnostic documents referring to Jesus suggest he travelled and lived in India where he would have learned Hinduism and Bhuddism and mixed it with Jewish theories and brought back his knowledge of medicine to place into Judaism the healing component.

Most people are unaware Jesus may be a composite of more than one Jewish leader and introduced medicine to the Middle East, i.e., the concept that germs enter the feet and through cuts and lesions, that sunlight can help dry up and therefore aid skin regeneration-that leprosy after a certain stage was not contagious, that there was a direct co-relation between food and health and that fish contained certain properties that addressed many of the illnesses prevalent in the Middle East.

Most people ar unaware that there is no direct words from Jesus ever written anywhere and any Agnostic reference to Jesus never referred to him calling himself the son of God but would have referred to himself as trying to provide a concept of how people should act with each other and in that sense all people were messiahs born to save the world.

Most people are unaware this concept would come from the Talmud which says one heals the world with good deeds and in so doing spreads the energy or existence of God, or damages the world and in so doing blocks the energy of God by doing selfish or evil things.

Most people are unaware that Islam has passages that say the same thing.

Most people are unaware that the schism between Judaism and Christianity in the early days did not exist an Jews and Christians were the same people.

Most people are unaware that the gospels of Jesus is second hand versions of what people claim Jesus said and the schism between Judaism and Christianity only began after King Constantine ordered Christian teachings merged with Pagan teachings to prevent a civil war between Pagans and Christians in Rome.

Most people are unaware that most of Israel's government buildings and its Parliament (Knesset) are on land in Jerusalem on land whose legal titles belong to Christian churches which Israel recognizes and pays rent to the churches for but the PA and Hamas claim they will never recognize as legitimate land titles as Christians like Jews are dhimmi and can not own land.

Most people are unaware that land title issues in Jerusalem and on the West Bank deal with international law, Vatican or Canon law,  Israeli federal and provincial laws, Jordana federal and municipal laws, and Palestinian laws as well as Sharia law and so to even remotely suggest settling land titles would be easy is absurd.

Most people are unaware that many ultra-Orthodox Jews do not believe Israel can exist until the Messiah first comes back and so is blasphemy.

Many people are unaware that there are as many Christian Zionists as there are Jewish ones.

Many people are unaware the Bahaiis have their head Temple in Israel and because of that are persecuted in Iran and also are persecuted in Iran as false Muslims for other reasons.

Most people are unaware that with the exception of Saudi Arabia no Arab nation has ever provided financial aid to Palestinian Refugees and the vast majority of it comes from the US, then the EEC.

Most people are unaware that Israel contrary to popular belief has many political opinions, religions and is the only democratic state of the Middle East where non Jews have elected politicians to the Parliament, write openly in the press and speak openly on tv and on the radio about their criticisms of Israel, have Muslim Judges, police and that some of the most loyal and bravest Israeli soldiers were and are Beduin Arabs, Druze, Muslims.

Most people are unaware of the fact that in reality, the turmoil of the Middle East contains thousands of conflicts of which the Palestinian one, is but one.

Most people are unaware that the vast majority of Israelis and Palestinians have more in common and understand each other and live side by side each other better than anyone on this forum claiming to understand Palestinians.

Most people are unaware of how small the land is in dispute, that water is the no.1 issue causing disputes between everyone and is often portrayed as a dispute of Jews and Palestinians.

Most people are also unaware of the environmental issues of the West Bank, Israel, Jordan and Gaza-Sinai that Israelis and Palestinians have been able to work with each other on when outside agitators do not intervene.

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« Reply #55 on: May 17, 2019, 11:25:39 am »
I was just about to see if you were out and about with the word counter. I would think the "most people" assumptions would set some sort of broken "record".



geezaz - over 3100 words! The "grinning black man", as member Rue called him, wasn't available to support the word counter... apparently he has his car in the shop right now!

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« Reply #56 on: May 17, 2019, 04:41:22 pm »
Historical excuses are irrelevant.
Israel is not exempt from International law.
Israel is not 'excused' from its Crimes against Humanity.
If you can't post something reasonable here, start your own thread and post there. GTFOutta mine.

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« Reply #57 on: May 17, 2019, 04:43:58 pm »
Historical excuses are irrelevant.
Israel is not exempt from International law.
Israel is not 'excused' from its Crimes against Humanity.

Neither is any other country. Even Canada has our own skeletons in our closet.
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« Reply #58 on: May 17, 2019, 06:02:25 pm »
Historical excuses are irrelevant.
Israel is not exempt from International law.
Israel is not 'excused' from its Crimes against Humanity.
If you can't post something reasonable here, start your own thread and post there. GTFOutta mine.


Ridiculous. This is a political forum. You don't own any thread nor do you get to control what people think. Drink some prune juice Granny.


If you want to use this thread to **** and rant and make accusations against Israel and  inter-change the word Jew with Israeli state policies, expect to be challenged.

As well it is assinine to discuss the Middle East conflict unless you are prepared to present it in proper context.


In any event you show disrespect for people who disagree with you and make it clear you only want people who agree with your biases to respond to you.


Why? Are you that insecure of people who do not think or like you or agree with you?


Read your above words. You sure as hell for someone who claims to advocate tolerance and justice sound like an intolerant close minded bigot.


If I did not know any better I would think you vote Liberal.



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« Reply #59 on: May 17, 2019, 06:39:55 pm »
...inyter-change the word Jew with Israeli state policies, expect
to be challenged.

Link/quote?