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Offline Granny

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Re: International Jewish Voices
« Reply #255 on: July 22, 2019, 08:28:10 pm »
That's assuming a lot. I don't know if the Israeli gov supports that, I doubt it, i would hope the soldier gets severely reprimanded.  Not sure what happens in these cases.


You can follow up and find out.

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The problem with the BDS movement is that it's so selective.  There are no BDS movements against China, Iran, Russia, and a long list of other regimes that are as bad or often worse than Israel in terms of human rights.

You go right ahead and do that. You have freedom of expression freedom of assembly too. Choose your own cause.

Canada's condemnation of my freedom of expression, my participation in BDS, is unacceptable.
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Re: International Jewish Voices
« Reply #256 on: July 29, 2019, 09:25:28 am »
Apparently the IDF are now only supposed to shoot live bullets at Palestinians' ankles.
Worth noting also that Palestinians are regularly protesting Israeli fences and walls erected in their communities. IDF soldiers are shooting at unarmed people through fences, people who cannot in any way harm the soldiers, shooting live fire into crowds of non-violent protesters. 

https://imemc.org/article/btselem-military-admits-killing-protesters-in-gaza-for-no-reason/
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Re: International Jewish Voices
« Reply #261 on: August 21, 2019, 08:08:31 am »
And voting against Trump means being 'disloyal' to the Hebrew faith ?

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Re: International Jewish Voices
« Reply #262 on: August 22, 2019, 06:33:16 pm »
And voting against Trump means being 'disloyal' to the Hebrew faith ?

Its not what he said.

I do appreciate the left finds Trump an easy mark because he shoots off at the mouth. However he has clarified what he said and most of us Jews knew what he was referring to. He was referring to specific individuals in the Democratic party who do NOT recognize the right of Israeli to exist as a Jewish state and have openly said so and refer to Israel pre 1967 as part of Palestine and so to vote or support such politicians would be disloyal to Israel and that is what Trump meant and he is not a racist for saying that.

As a Jew I would be disloyal to Israel if I did not think Israel has a right to exist as a Jewish state. It's a fact. That is all he meant.
The rest is all after the fact added analysis by those bias against Trump injecting further context and meaning into what he said.

The comment is loose lipped and easily picked up by people defending specific anti Israeli American Democrats.

The Democratic Party has 4 members who have made absolutely outrageous, one sided comments against Israel. Its a fact. If Republicans had said what these 4 said about any other  country, they would be accused of being racist.

Some of you who focus on what Trump said, but are not going to focus on what the 4 Democrats have said.

Trump may say a lot of loose lipped poorly stated comments but he is calling out a particular strain of anti Israeli dialogue. I am not so insecure as a Jew that I could not understand what he meant and take offence to it so please non Jews spare me lectures on how I should react to what he said. I also do not expect any of you  to blindly support Israel but you blindly support terrorism and extremism when you accuse anyone of supporting Israel's right to exist as an apartheid racists as BDS and Granny or these 4 idiot Democrats have done. Using Trump as your dead horse to beat on doesn't change your one sided biases anymore than they do Trump's.


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Re: International Jewish Voices
« Reply #263 on: August 22, 2019, 08:42:23 pm »
Its not what he said.
 

You're right, I misquoted:

" "In my opinion, you vote for a Democrat, you're being very disloyal to Jewish people and you're being very disloyal to Israel. And only weak people would say anything other than that.""

But he basically called 3/4 of American Jews disloyal to fellow Jews and "Israel".

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« Reply #264 on: August 23, 2019, 07:49:16 am »
You're right, I misquoted:

" "In my opinion, you vote for a Democrat, you're being very disloyal to Jewish people and you're being very disloyal to Israel. And only weak people would say anything other than that.""

But he basically called 3/4 of American Jews disloyal to fellow Jews and "Israel".

Apparently to solidify up his support among American Zionist Evangelicals. They call him "King", and this week he referred to himself as "the chosen one". (Yuck)

https://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/trump-disployalty-1.5255203
(Trump says any Jew who votes Democratic is 'disloyal' or lacks knowledge)
Trump cannot be re-elected without the votes of evangelical Christians, a group of people who, because of their heated eschatological dreams, are simultaneously capable of blindly supporting Israel and regarding American Jews with suspicion. (Some evangelicals refer to them as "uncompleted Christians," meaning they still need to come to Jesus).

Many evangelicals believe that establishment of Israel and the ingathering of the Jews from their diaspora set the scene for the end of days, during which they, and only they, will be raptured up to heaven while tribulations lay waste to the rest of humanity. All that remains is for the temple to be rebuilt on the Temple Mount, which would require the destruction of the Al Aqsa Mosque and the Dome of the Rock, something that would conveniently trigger a regional conflagration.

To that end, they send huge amounts of money to Israel, and demand that U.S. politicians support Israel unconditionally, which many do.


In the "conflagration", Evangelicals believe that all Jews will either convert to their evangelist Christian vision and receive 'the rapture', or be killed (along with the rest of humanity).

It's a very bizarre scene down there these days.
And no less bizarre is Israel consorting with American Evangelicals, whose beliefs demand the eventual destruction of Judaism.

Mostly, any Trump news just makes me want to upchuck, and this is a particularly vile pot of rotten stew.


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Re: International Jewish Voices
« Reply #265 on: September 05, 2019, 09:23:54 am »
Liberals Wrong To Dump Montreal Candidate Over “Antisemitism” Concerns
https://ijvcanada.org/2019/montreal-candidate/
Montreal--Independent Jewish Voices Canada (IJV) is outraged by the revocation of Hassan Guillet’s candidacy by the Liberal party in the federal riding of Saint Léonard-Saint Michel. The ouster occurred after social media posts by Guillet were made public by right-wing pro-Israel lobby group, B’nai Brith Canada, which deemed the posts to be both anti-Israel and antisemitic.

“Upon examination of the facts, it is evident to us that Guillet is anything but an antisemite,” said IJV spokesperson and National Coordinator Corey Balsam. “Synagogues don’t invite antisemites to speak about tolerance and fighting hatred,” he said. The former imam is well-known for his commitment to interfaith dialogue and to combating hatred and intolerance.

“What is abundantly clear is that Guillet has been targeted on account of his vocal criticism of Israel and its policies. While Mr. Guillet has made a few remarks in the past that can certainly be viewed as crass, jumping to the conclusion that these comments come from a place of anti-Jewish sentiment is going too far. The Liberal party seems to have acted out of fear of negative media attention, rather than an honest appraisal of the facts.”

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Re: International Jewish Voices
« Reply #266 on: September 05, 2019, 09:37:24 am »

The Democratic Party has 4 members who have made absolutely outrageous, one sided comments against Israel.
I have ZERO interest in discussing Trump the  white supremacist sociopathic "chosen one".

But I would like links and examples of these Democrats' statements please Rue.
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Re: International Jewish Voices
« Reply #267 on: September 06, 2019, 12:49:05 am »
I hear now Robert Mugabe has died. My comment is how is it that these assholes get to live so long? I would love to be able to throw a few shovels of dirt on his box to make sure he was buried for good.

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Re: International Jewish Voices
« Reply #268 on: September 08, 2019, 12:03:33 pm »
What is the Jewish tie-in to Mugabe ?

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Re: International Jewish Voices
« Reply #269 on: September 08, 2019, 01:51:57 pm »
What is the Jewish tie-in to Mugabe ?

I’m sure Omni has a “theory” about it....