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Offline Granny

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International Jewish Voices
« on: May 03, 2019, 07:42:45 pm »
Jewish-American activists beaten and detained by Israeli soldiers in West Bank
Members of Jewish-American tour party dragged into military vehicles, alongside Palestinian and Israeli activists, during anti-occupation action near Hebron
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/jewish-american-activists-beaten-and-detained-israeli-soldiers-west-bank
Several Jewish-American activists were beaten and forcefully detained by the Israeli army alongside Palestinian and Israeli activists on Friday morning while working to repair a road linking Palestinian villages in the South Hebron Hills.

Those forced to the ground and dragged into military vehicles included several who appeared to be rabbis, and several elderly members of the group.

The activists were part of a delegation of 42 Jews from the US and Canada who are on a two-week tour of the West Bank organised by the US-based Center for Jewish Nonviolence (CJNV) to promote Jewish and Palestinian co-existence and to resist the ongoing Israeli military occupation.


There are Jewish voices in Canada and elsewhere who support Palestinian  anti-occupation action.

Independent Jewish Voices Canada:
https://ijvcanada.org/2018/ijv-member-reports-from-palestine-visit/

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Re: International Jewish Voices
« Reply #1 on: May 04, 2019, 08:21:20 am »
Do you realize that not all Jews support Israel.
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Re: International Jewish Voices
« Reply #2 on: May 04, 2019, 08:51:31 am »
Do you realize that not all Jews support Israel.

Yes. That's what this is about.
E.g., Canada should not trade in items manufactured in illegal Israeli settlements:
https://actionnetwork.org/letters/tell-senators-dont-trade-away-palestinian-human-rights/

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« Reply #3 on: May 04, 2019, 05:01:17 pm »
Yes. That's what this is about.
E.g., Canada should not trade in items manufactured in illegal Israeli settlements:
https://actionnetwork.org/letters/tell-senators-dont-trade-away-palestinian-human-rights/

I think Canada should trade with Israel, unconditionally.  Antisemitism fuels the hatred and boycotts of Israel. China has committed numerous human rights abuses in Tibet and it's people, yet nobody make too much of a big deal about it.

Same with Saudi Arabia, Russia, and the United States.
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Re: International Jewish Voices
« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2019, 06:10:22 pm »
I think Canada should trade with Israel, unconditionally.  Antisemitism fuels the hatred and boycotts of Israel. China has committed numerous human rights abuses in Tibet and it's people, yet nobody make too much of a big deal about it.

Same with Saudi Arabia.
I think there should be a voice for all perspectives.

https://www.facebook.com/IJVcanada/videos/427631188078451/
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Re: International Jewish Voices
« Reply #5 on: May 04, 2019, 06:14:21 pm »
Whatever the reason, if you enter someone else's country to demonstrate and shit disturb, don't be surprised if they don't like it.

If you don't act like a guest, don't expect to be treated like one.
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Re: International Jewish Voices
« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2019, 06:18:59 pm »

Independent Jewish Voices CANADA.

They're guests in Palestinian territory.

Disagreeing with Israel is not anti-Semitism.
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Re: International Jewish Voices
« Reply #7 on: May 04, 2019, 06:47:38 pm »
Independent Jewish Voices CANADA.

They're guests in Palestinian territory.

Disagreeing with Israel is not anti-Semitism.

One can say the same thing about 96% of the Canadian population.  We uprooted the Indigenous people to settle in Canada.  It happens everywhere, since the beginning of time.  One can easily make the argument that the Jews were in the Holy Land before any other current ethnic group, and were forced away from their homeland, only to finally return 75 years ago.

I am convinced the Israel Apartheid movement was born out of historical Antisemitism.  Keep in mind, nobody forced the Arab countries to declare War on Israel in 1967.  The Arabs gambled and lost, and Israel ended up gaining territory.
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Re: International Jewish Voices
« Reply #8 on: May 04, 2019, 06:53:36 pm »
Independent Jewish Voices CANADA.

They're guests in Palestinian territory.

Disagreeing with Israel is not anti-Semitism.


No it isnít and sometimes I donít agree with Israel but if someone denies your very right to exist, why would you give a shit what they think.

Israel welcomes Jews from anywhere, apparently the same doesnít apply to Palestinians in the Arab world. They are nothing more than a tool to their Arab neighbours.
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Re: International Jewish Voices
« Reply #9 on: May 04, 2019, 08:27:51 pm »
Canada is currently subject to bullying by China because we are engaging in actions which offend them.

Why should Canada engage in the same bullying tactics against Isreal?

Do we really want to live in a world where the biggest economies are free to bully smaller states any time the smaller states do something that offends them? I thought people wanted Canada to lead by example. Bullying smaller nations is not a good example.
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« Reply #10 on: May 04, 2019, 08:38:56 pm »
I still recall about 5 years ago, after the Russian Government occupied the Crimea from the Ukraine.  The Crimea had technically been a part of the Ukraine throughout history, and since 1917 it was apart of the Ukrainian SSR, then since 1991 was a part of the Ukraine. We do not see the Russian community suffering anti-Russian sentiment due to this. In fact, the Winnipeg Russian community staged an ill-advised "Pro Russia Rally" at the Manitoba Legislature shortly after.

The problem with this move, is Winnipeg has a very large Ukrainian community, which outnumbers the Russian community 5 to 1.  It was a move the appeared to antagonize the Ukrainians. As a result, hundreds of people in the Ukrainian community came out to demonstrate against it, and the Police were called after the inevitable hostilities erupted.

source: https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/local/fascist-remark-rankles-ukraine-supporters-258796671.html


With the Jewish community, they have always been targeted regardless of their political beliefs in all parts of the World, simply for being Jews. That is not the case for other ethnic communities.
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Re: International Jewish Voices
« Reply #11 on: May 04, 2019, 09:21:13 pm »
Support for Palestinians can be spoken here.

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« Reply #12 on: May 04, 2019, 09:27:48 pm »
Support for Palestinians can be spoken here.

That's perfectly fine.  However, it's wrong to put the blame 100% on Israel. A little known fact is that Arab countries surrounding the West Bank and Gaza Strip had refused Palestinians asylum for decades.  It's a political game being played by the Arabs by not allowing these people to immigrate in hopes of a better life.  I'm not saying Israel is innocent, as they have made living conditions in the Occupied Territories among the worst in the World. However, if the Palestinians would cease to launch rockets, commit terrorist activities, and call for the destruction of the Jewish state, it would definitely help their cause.

Fighting a larger and more powerful enemy is almost sure to backfire.  It's fine to be critical of Israel for the way they treat Arabs as second class citizens, but when you consider what the Jews in Israel have been through for the last century, including repeated prompts from leaders calling for the destruction of Israel, and four wars that the Arabs have lost against the Jews, one wonders how other nations in that predicament would do anything different.
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Re: International Jewish Voices
« Reply #13 on: May 04, 2019, 09:28:51 pm »
Support for Palestinians can be spoken here.

Sure it can.

Around 50,000 Palestinians fled to Egypt during the 1956 and 1967 wars. They still can't have permanent residency or apply for refugee status.
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Re: International Jewish Voices
« Reply #14 on: May 04, 2019, 09:41:15 pm »
Honestly, from one article in the OP we're not going to know the whole story here.  What happens between Israel and Palestinians is complex and has al sorts of context.

The article basically says activists came to rebuilt Palestinian roads that were damaged, the Israeli military showed up and said you have 10 minutes to go away or we'll arrest you, the activists disobeyed them and so were arrested.  We don't know the context.  Is Israel just being dicks & trying to make Palestinian's lives a living hell?  Or were some using these village roads for terrorist operations or some other reason we don't know about?  Like we don't know, who the hell but Mossad knows WTF is going on.

IMO if you're an activist and want to help that's ok but when soldiers start showing up I'd take their threats seriously and GTFO and go help somewhere else, even if I didn't agree with it, who the hell wants to be a martyr?
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