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Offline Granny

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Re: Greta Thunberg: Inspirational or Annoying?
« Reply #90 on: October 05, 2019, 08:00:27 pm »
Quote from: MH on September 29, 2019, 08:30:45 pm
Here's something: a moderate approach, such as a Carbon Tax or cap-and-trade may actually work.  And it's not much to do.

How about a cost-neutral approach as well:
We shift 30% of government subsidies from fossil fuels to renewables.

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Re: Greta Thunberg: Inspirational or Annoying?
« Reply #91 on: December 13, 2019, 09:57:09 am »
Time's Person of the Year? FOH!

Hey she's this revolutionary voice on Climate change, but if you criticize her, she's just a poor innocent kid and you're a meanie.
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Re: Greta Thunberg: Inspirational or Annoying?
« Reply #92 on: December 13, 2019, 11:51:28 am »
Quote from: Granny on October 05, 2019, 08:00:27 pm
How about a cost-neutral approach as well:
We shift 30% of government subsidies from fossil fuels to renewables.

There will be a cost.   There are 200K workers in coal,do you think they will all find equivalent jobs in their towns after coal is gone ?
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Re: Greta Thunberg: Inspirational or Annoying?
« Reply #93 on: December 13, 2019, 11:58:30 am »
Quote from: Boges on December 13, 2019, 09:57:09 am
Time's Person of the Year? FOH!

Hey she's this revolutionary voice on Climate change, but if you criticize her, she's just a poor innocent kid and you're a meanie.

I'd say Trump turned out to fulfill both roles as, just a kid, and a meanie, with his reaction to her beating him out for the Time cover.
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Re: Greta Thunberg: Inspirational or Annoying?
« Reply #94 on: January 12, 2020, 03:17:52 pm »
Quote from: MH on December 13, 2019, 11:51:28 am
There will be a cost.   There are 200K workers in coal,do you think they will all find equivalent jobs in their towns after coal is gone ?

No I don't think so.
But the renewables industry will be ramping up so there will be opportunities there. Their towns can make some efforts to get in on the massive rollout of renewable energy that will create lots of jobs.
The subsidies can help if used for retraining.
Towns that are not trying to attract renewable energy projects and related retraining have their heads buried in the coal sludge.
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Re: Greta Thunberg: Inspirational or Annoying?
« Reply #95 on: January 12, 2020, 06:17:14 pm »
Unless the approach to those things changeswe will have dead towns again.
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Re: Greta Thunberg: Inspirational or Annoying?
« Reply #96 on: January 12, 2020, 09:16:15 pm »
Has anyone considered the possibility we are lemmings headed for a cliff? The world's population has tripled in the last 70 years and that was made possible by fossil fuels. Even where electricity comes almost totally from renewable sources it only supplies around 20% of total energy use.  Maybe our present civilization isn't sustainable without fossil fuels. Maybe mankind has headed up a blind alley and will have to go a fair distance backwards before it can head off in another direction.
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Re: Greta Thunberg: Inspirational or Annoying?
« Reply #97 on: January 12, 2020, 09:25:27 pm »
Quote from: wilber on January 12, 2020, 09:16:15 pm
Has anyone considered the possibility we are lemmings headed for a cliff? The world's population has tripled in the last 70 years and that was made possible by fossil fuels. Even where electricity comes almost totally from renewable sources it only supplies around 20% of total energy use.  Maybe our present civilization isn't sustainable without fossil fuels. Maybe mankind has headed up a blind ally and will have to go a fair distance backwards before it can head off in another direction.

Donald Trump loves coal and we all know he is a forward thinker, especially with regard to the air we breathe.
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Re: Greta Thunberg: Inspirational or Annoying?
« Reply #98 on: January 12, 2020, 09:56:10 pm »
Quote from: Omni on January 12, 2020, 09:25:27 pm
Donald Trump loves coal and we all know he is a forward thinker, especially with regard to the air we breathe.

Forget Trump, that was a serious question.
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Re: Greta Thunberg: Inspirational or Annoying?
« Reply #99 on: January 13, 2020, 01:09:42 am »
Quote from: wilber on January 12, 2020, 09:56:10 pm
Forget Trump, that was a serious question.

I would say we are lemmings headed for a cliff if we ignore the damage done by burning fossils and ignore the science which we have started working toward to clean things up. Or you could continue to ignore what sucking coal smoke up your nose smells like. Apparently Trump doesn't mind. 
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Re: Greta Thunberg: Inspirational or Annoying?
« Reply #100 on: January 13, 2020, 06:33:47 am »
I feel like this is the year when it all breaks down.

The economy is running on fumes.
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Re: Greta Thunberg: Inspirational or Annoying?
« Reply #101 on: January 13, 2020, 08:42:19 am »
Quote from: Omni on January 13, 2020, 01:09:42 am
I would say we are lemmings headed for a cliff if we ignore the damage done by burning fossils and ignore the science which we have started working toward to clean things up. Or you could continue to ignore what sucking coal smoke up your nose smells like. Apparently Trump doesn't mind.

I’m not ignoring anything or saying nothing needs to be done. It’s a serious question. Humanity is in uncharted territory.
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Re: Greta Thunberg: Inspirational or Annoying?
« Reply #102 on: February 10, 2020, 09:53:20 pm »
Quote from: wilber on January 13, 2020, 08:42:19 am
I’m not ignoring anything or saying nothing needs to be done. It’s a serious question. Humanity is in uncharted territory.

We always are.
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Re: Greta Thunberg: Inspirational or Annoying?
« Reply #103 on: March 01, 2020, 10:28:47 am »
I took her advice a bit too seriously. I threw away all my winter clothing and was shivering yesterday. I am annoyed.
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Re: Greta Thunberg: Inspirational or Annoying?
« Reply #104 on: March 01, 2020, 11:48:32 am »
Quote from: Granny on February 10, 2020, 09:53:20 pm
We always are.

Yes and there is no basis for the assumption the earth can sustain 7.5 billion people without fossil fuels. It is more likely that it can't within the limits of today's technology. It's questionable that it can sustain them at all in the long term.
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